37818
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A rock has an existance, was not alive.
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Is Spiritual death a Biblical Concept then?
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Like those who are "spiritually dead" have an existence but were never spiritually alive.
I told you Im slow but I get there sooner or later.
"I was blinded by the devil,
Born already ruined,
Stone-cold dead
As I stepped out of the womb.
By His grace I have been touched,
By His word I have been healed,
By His hand I've been delivered,
By His spirit I've been sealed." - Bob Dylan
Gen.2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
This verse is helpful on the question you asked.
Charlie, do you notice that this verse says [ for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.]. Something died that day. Adam 's sin let sin and death enter upon all mankind. Adam lost that close fellowship and communion with God. He died spiritually that very day....physical death followed. When God saves a sinner he brings his or her dead spirit to life as in Ephesians 2.
? All spoken of by one word in, the word, death ?
Hello, Zaatar71, I don't think we've met. Welcome to the boards.
Yes, I agree with everything you've said.
I've said many times on these boards that the "wages of sin is death" includes both physical and spiritual death.
iwillblessthelord
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Your post really makes me think about how the Bible talks about death—it’s such a deep topic! I like how you point out the two clear deaths in Scripture: the physical one in Genesis when Adam’s told he’ll return to dust, and the second death in Revelation, which is that final judgment. Your take that “spiritual death” might be a human-made idea is interesting, especially since you tie it to the idea that spiritual life lasts forever.
I’m with you that the Bible seems to focus on those two deaths. The physical death is what we all face, and the second death is for those who face eternal separation from God. When Ephesians talks about being “dead in sins,” it feels more like describing a state of being cut off from God, not that our spirit literally dies. It’s like we’re missing the life God offers until we’re made alive in Christ. I wonder if calling it “spiritual death” is just a way to explain that separation, but maybe it’s not the best term if it confuses things.
What do you think about the idea that being “dead in sins” is more about a broken relationship with God than an actual death? Does that fit with how you see the text, or do you think it’s still reading too much into it? Thanks for sparking this discussion!
The aspect of our natures that fellowshipped and communed with God died, and that is the aspect that needs to be "reborn again"
Indeed, as without the indwelling Holy Spirit, we as sinners will remain spiritual deaf, dumb, and blind
All born physically are in Adam, and so all born spiritually dead in our sin natures
Before any became spiritually alive in Christ, all were spiritual dead in Adam
All of us were born spiritually dead
Our spirt is dead and dormant until made alive again in Christ Jesus, due to the infilling of the Holy Spirit once saved
Please elaborate. Are you referring to the "soul of man"?
No, spiritual death is a Biblical truth.
What is spiritual death? | GotQuestions.org
Death is separation. A physical death is the separation of the soul from the body. Spiritual death, which is of greater significance, is the separation of the soul from God. In Genesis 2:17, God tells Adam that in the day he eats of the forbidden fruit he will “surely die.” Adam does fall, but his physical death does not occur immediately; God must have had another type of death in mind—spiritual death. This separation from God is exactly what we see in Genesis 3:8. When Adam and Eve heard the voice of the Lord, they “hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God.” The fellowship had been broken. They were spiritually dead.
I do not understand your question. Each of the three deaths I listed relate to different states of existence of the human soul - which is indestructible,
All humans are born spiritually separated from God due to the inherited sin of Adam - spiritually dead. If they die while spiritually dead, they inherent eternal death - eternal separation from God.
If while being physically alive and spiritually dead they are born-again, becoming spiritually alive, when they die physically there soul enters paradise and remains alive in the presence Christ for eternity.
(Rom 6:20 KJV) For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
(Rom 6:21 KJV) What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things [is] death.
(Rom 6:22 KJV) But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
(Rom 6:23 KJV) For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
37818
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The soul does die, but not when one kills the body.
Matthew 10:28. Body and soul die in the second death.
What does not die is called their worm [singular].
Mark 9:48.
If it were a biblical term you would have quoted Scripture rather than "Got questions.org".
The Bible (just God's Word alone...."what is written") never mentions a "spiritual death" as in dying spiritually.
In fact, the Bible refers to life that is spiritual as being incapable of dying.
When I read the biblical text I see that God described death to Adam as "returning to dust". In God's warning to Adam I see that on the day Adam eats of the fruit he would certainly die.
What I do not see is God telling Adam he'd die on the day he sinned or that this death woukd be a spiritual death.
We also need to consider the fact that the idea Adam died spiritually is a relatively new idea. This is not how the Hebrews understood Genesis. It isn't how Chriatians understood the passage until later on. So we know it is not an obvious interpretation or addition.
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Spiritual death is right there Jon in Genesis, as Adam and Eve lost connection to God, lost relationship, became sinners by nature, and we as in Adam are under same destiny as he was placed under, the very same curse , and being spiritually deaf and dumb to very things of God is why the Holy Spirit MUST regenerate us into being able to receive Jesus and get spiritual life again
So clerar that Adam experience a BIG change in both himself and in his relationship to God, no longer in Covenant, but now dead in his sin nature
Food for thought.
What does Mark 9:48 mean? | BibleRef.com
This text, which in some translations is also found in Mark 9:44 and 46, is a quote from Isaiah 66:24. The passage describes a future time when God will gather His people to Jerusalem and they will worship God for eternity (Isaiah 66:18–23). Those who are not His will face everlasting destruction and torment, metaphorically described as the worm and the fire.
"Worm" is from the Greek root word scolex and refers to a maggot that eats dead flesh. The fact that it does not die suggests a different meaning, although scholars are not sure what. Both this verse and Isaiah 66:24 say "their worm," meaning it may be something the unbeliever brought with them, perhaps their shame and regret.