Au contraire.
Man has a will. It just isn't free, until Christ sets one free. Even then, I'm bound by His love.
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Is God Patient With His Decree?
- Thread starter Baptizo
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Man has a will. It just isn't free, until Christ sets one free. Even then, I'm bound by His love.
Silverhair
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That is a rather dumb comment.
But you are a determinist after all so you really can not think for yourself as that requires the ability to make real choices.
Where did your faith come from? Were you born with it? Or did it come from hearing the Word of God?
Silverhair
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Then perhaps you need to tell God He got it wrong. Why is He judging all those people that have no free will.
Your version of god is not so loving is He. Note I used a small g as the god you follow cannot be the God of the bible.
Your entry to this world. Did God determine it, or were you just lucky?
Silverhair
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Many people hear the word of God and reject it, you do know that don't you.
Knowledge + Belief + Trust = Faith
Faith is believing that Christ is what He is said to be,
and that He will do what He has promised to do,
and then to expect this of Him.
We see this in scripture.
Eph 1:13 In whom also, you having heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also having trusted, were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Where did you think faith came from? Did you think God just dropped it intro your head, Oh right the C/R's do think He did just that. Problem is the bible does not support that view.
Who said that? The elect are as much children of hell as anyone prior to the point in time that they are saved.
Silverhair
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What does that have to do with trusting in God?
But actually my parents determined it, shocking I know but perhaps you need someone to tell you about procreation.
This just another of the many ways the C/R's try to deflect and muddy the water by bringing in of the wall arguments.
That's true. The birthmark of election is faith.
Why? The only reason you can cite is that you were better than the other person.
Silverhair
Well-Known Member
So is a person saved before or after they have faith?
You're telling me that you can just turn belief on and off? That right now, you could simply choose to believe in Martians or Santa Claus?
You didn't answer my question.
Where did your faith come from? Were you born with it? Or did it come from hearing the Word of God?
They came from Jesus.
He made it quite plain.
Baptizo
Active Member
Most definitely by hearing the Word of God.
I like the illustration that has been given before - I made the choice to open the door and accept Christ. After I walked through and got saved, I discover that God had chosen me for salvation all along. It's one of those things that we can't reconcile in our finite minds.
Silverhair
Well-Known Member
God holds a person responsible for the choices they make, so it is not a matter of being wiser or better but trusting that the information you have been given.
Now in hind sight you could say the person had made a wiser or better choice.
To transfer from one state of being to another, a choice must be made.
Silverhair
Well-Known Member
Only if you do not hold to the C/R philosophy as those came from Augustine who imported them fro the pagan teachings he was under for over a decade.
You do need to do some more study about the foundations of the view you hold.
Hearing the Word of God allows someone the information necessary to make a choice.
It is important that the unbeliever hear. This is why Scripture says “how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard, and how shall they hear without a preacher?”
That doesn't make any sense. You're either convinced something is true or you're not. It's quite out of your control.