There's something bad wrong in the mind of a person who can read the Scripture and conclude a Calvinist God.
You will face Him and answer for your character assassination of God.
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Acts 13:48 and Election
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There's something bad wrong in the mind of a person who can read the Scripture and conclude a Calvinist God.
You will face Him and answer for your character assassination of God.
From what I have read, the Calvinist (At least these) position is that his interpretation of Scripture is Scripture. I have also read a few confusing statements that purport to identify anyone who disagrees with them, doctrines that are not adhered to or suggested.
It’s akin to trying to explain to a Baptist he believes in sprinkling if he isn’t Landmark.
Brightfame52
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Gods longsuffering towards the vessels of wrath will make their punishment worser since they will multiply sins against them
Well, we found some common ground I thought impossible.
We agree there are degrees of punishment!
Brightfame52
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There are some men/people God made especially to destroy them in the day of evil, which is the Day of Judgment. They are made, formed by God as vessels of wrath being fitted for destruction Rom 9:22, Proverbs speaks of them here Prov 16:4
4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
Now Prophet Jeremiah speaks of this day of evil and destruction Jer 17:17-18
17 Be not a terror unto me: thou art my hope in the day of evil.
18 Let them be confounded that persecute me, but let not me be confounded: let them be dismayed, but let not me be dismayed: bring upon them the day of evil, and destroy them with double destruction.
And Paul inspirited by the same Spirit writes Rom 9:21-22
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
The word dishonour in Vs 21 means atimia:
Daniel writes of this shame coming on the wicked forever Dan 12:2
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
This was all predetermined by God
4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
Now Prophet Jeremiah speaks of this day of evil and destruction Jer 17:17-18
17 Be not a terror unto me: thou art my hope in the day of evil.
18 Let them be confounded that persecute me, but let not me be confounded: let them be dismayed, but let not me be dismayed: bring upon them the day of evil, and destroy them with double destruction.
And Paul inspirited by the same Spirit writes Rom 9:21-22
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
The word dishonour in Vs 21 means atimia:
- dishonour, ignominy, disgrace,shame
Daniel writes of this shame coming on the wicked forever Dan 12:2
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
This was all predetermined by God
Brightfame52
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The Chief and primary cause for the creation of the reprobate, the wicked vessels of wrath being fitted for destruction, was that God was willing to make His Power Known and demonstrate His Wrath Rom 9:19-22
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Why is God with much longsuffering toward the vessels of wrath?
It's because they chose not to believe and they are fitted to destruction.
But God doesn't want this for them, He bears long with them not willing that any should perish.
You are only focusing on one side of the coin and ignoring the other.
The Potter has created all the vessels, some have chosen honor and some have chosen dishonor.
And even though the vessels of dishonor have chosen their way of dishonor toward God, He is still longsuffering toward them. even though they deserve destruction.
This is what you're missing in those verses!
Paul said that if God was willing He could demonstrate His power on these vessels of dishonor.
But He's not willing to that, He's longsuffering with them, He doesn't want them to go to Hell.
It's all about the God-given gift of free will to choose.
It hurts God to see one of His creations eternally separated from Him.
He strives with man, He works in the heart of man for him to see the truth.
Here is God striving with Israel to turn from destruction.
Ezek. 33:11
"Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?"
He's saying the same thing today to the vessels of dishonor!
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