What mans religion teaches about faith and repentance !

[Zaatar71]

Perhaps this may be another:

You notice No.25, 'Repentance and Faith' is couched in among and between
and after several other subject matters handled there and before some others:

13. The Creation of Man
14. The Essential Elements of Human Nature
15. The Moral Nature of Man
16. The Original State and Fall of Man
17. The Doctrine of Sin
18. Human Responsibility
19. The Free Agency of Man
20. The Doctrine of Election
21. The Doctrine of the Atonement
22. The Outward and Inward Calls
23. The New Birth
24. The Doctrine of Conversion
25. Repentance and Faith
26. The Doctrine of Justification
27. The Doctrine of Sanctification
28. The Three Tenses of Salvation

These are from T.P. Simmons' Studies in Systematic Theology.

I hope you see his treatment of Repentance, first, then Faith separately, and finally where he deals with Repentance and Faith together, as Twin-Doctrines, to be a fair work concerning what The Bible teaches us about Repentance and Faith and not just what the O.P. suggests that man's religion might teach.

Excerpts from: SIMMONS- REPENTANCE AND FAITH

3. THE CONSTITUENT ELEMENTS OF REPENTANCE.

(1) Sin Admitted-Conviction

"Man must see himself as unlike God and in rebellion against God. He must see the opposition between his condition and the holiness of God. He must see that God abhors his condition and state. The recognition of sin that enters into repentance unto salvation is concerned primarily, not with the fact that sin brings punishment, but with the fact that sin offends God. There is, of course, a fear of the eternal consequences of sin; but this is not the primary thing.

"This recognition of sin is conviction, and it constitutes the intellectual element in repentance.

(2) Sin Abhorred-Contrition.

"Godly sorrow enters into repentance. When one sees himself as he appears before God he is brought to regret his sin and to abhor it. This is the emotional element in repentance.

(3) Sin Abandoned-Conversion.

"Repentance is not complete until there is an inward abandoning of sin which leads to an outward change of conduct. This is the voluntary or volitional element in repentance. Thus repentance concerns the whole inner nature: intellect, emotion, and will."

6. REPENTANCE IS A GIFT OF GOD.

"The three following passages prove this:

"Him did God exalt with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, to give repentance to Israel, and remission of sins" (Acts 5:31).

"And when they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then to the Gentiles also hath God granted repentance unto life" (Acts ll:18).

"The Lord's servant must not strive, but be gentle towards all, apt to teach, forbearing, in meekness correcting them that oppose themselves; if peradventure God may give them repentance unto the knowledge of the truth" (2 Tim. 2:24,25).

The meaning of this is simply that repentance is wrought in man by the quickening power of the Holy Spirit, as we have already noted.

3. FAITH IS A GIFT OF GOD.

This is proved by the passages already quoted that designate repentance as a gift of God; for as we shall see, repentance and faith are inseparable graces. Each one, when appearing alone in the Scriptures, embraces the other; for, if this were not true, the passages which mention only the one or the other would teach that one may be saved without both repentance and faith.

This is proved by passages which teach that our coming to Christ and believing on Him are the result of the working of God's power. See John 6:37, 65; Eph. 1:19, 20. This is further proved by the fact that faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit (Gal. 5:22)."

I think it is helpful how you make such posts with plenty of references that a person can search out! Thanks for your post.

 

[Silverhair]

A person is reconciled to God by His Death while an enemy. Rom 5:10 so when he is being an enemy he doesnt have faith, he is an enemy. Now do you agree with that ? Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

We were all enemies of God prior to trusting in Him. And that is the point you fail to grasp.

When one hears the gospel they are still enemies, it is when they believe the gospel / trust in God, that they are no longer enemies.

Do you agree with that? And as the verse you quoted says we are saved by His life, that is we are saved by faith in the risen Christ not the one in the grave.

 

[Silverhair]

Its your words Im in disagreement with, not the words of scripture, lest you feel your words and the words of scripture are one and the same

You say you agree with the verses that I posted which show conditional salvation and yet you disagree with what I wrote
"Your philosophy says no condition the Bible says the condition is faith in the Risen Christ."

How does that work BF?

 

[Van]

A person is reconciled to God by His Death while an enemy. Rom 5:10 so when he is being an enemy he doesnt have faith, he is an enemy. Now do you agree with that ? Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

You just ignore that the reconciliation happened "now" which was about 20 years after Christ died? Are you really trying?

 

[Brightfame52]

Now some might say that the verse Acts 5:31 doesn't say anything about Christ the Savior giving Faith, but only Repentance to Israel [Gods Elect People]. Thats no problem however because Gospel evangelical repentance contains faith, for this repentance acknowledges, embraces the Truth 2 Tim 2:25

In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth

Notice that the word give here is the same word give in Acts 5:31 when its stated God gives repentance to Israel, but here in the 2 Tim 2:25 verse repentance is clarified in that it gives the acknowledging of the Truth.

I Titus 1:1 its recognized as the Faith of Gods Elect

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

So contrary to what mans religion teaches, that faith and repentance are conditions men perform in order to get justified or righteous before God, they are gracious gifts given by the Savior when He saves them, wherein they evidence Christ has saved them !

 

[Brightfame52]

@Silverhair

We were all enemies of God prior to trusting in Him.

Yes so the elect whom Christ died for are saved/reconciled to God b4 they believe, they believe because they are already saved.

 

[Brightfame52]

You say you agree with the verses that I posted which show conditional salvation and yet you disagree with what I wrote
"Your philosophy says no condition the Bible says the condition is faith in the Risen Christ."

How does that work BF?

Yeah I agree with the scriptures you posted, but not you the poster, see the difference ?

 

[Brightfame52]

You just ignore that the reconciliation happened "now" which was about 20 years after Christ died? Are you really trying?

A person is reconciled to God by His Death while an enemy. Rom 5:10 so when he is being an enemy he doesnt have faith, he is an enemy. Now do you agree with that ? Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies/unbelievers, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

 

[Silverhair]

@Silverhair



Yes so the elect whom Christ died for are saved/reconciled to God b4 they believe, they believe because they are already saved.

Not a biblical view but it is the view that we see come from that man-made religion C/R.

 

[Silverhair]

Yeah I agree with the scriptures you posted, but not you the poster, see the difference ?

Then if you agree with the verses that I posted why do you hold the philosophy that you do?

The verses contradict the C/R view.

 

[Van]

A person is reconciled to God by His Death while an enemy. Rom 5:10 so when he is being an enemy he doesnt have faith, he is an enemy. Now do you agree with that ? Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies/unbelievers, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Good Grief, a person is reconciled when they receive the reconciliation, not when Christ initially provided the means of reconciliation.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

you make such posts with plenty of references that a person can search out! Thanks for your post.

Praise The Lord! Good deal. I really enjoy being here as part of my Ministry.

I want people to be able to have stuff and take it and WORSHIP GOD!!!

STICK WITH 'THE STUFF'!!

 

[Brightfame52]

Not a biblical view but it is the view that we see come from that man-made religion C/R.

It is biblical, men Christ died for are already reconciled to God, while unbelieving enemies. Now to be reconciled is to be saved from the penalty of your sins. Ones believing has absolutely nothing to do with it.

 

[Brightfame52]

Good Grief, a person is reconciled when they receive the reconciliation, not when Christ initially provided the means of reconciliation.

False, they are reconciled by His death while enemies, hating God. If you cant believe this, you may as well pick up your marbles and go home.

 

[Silverhair]

It is biblical, men Christ died for are already reconciled to God, while unbelieving enemies. Now to be reconciled is to be saved from the penalty of your sins. Ones believing has absolutely nothing to do with it.

You keep saying this but do you have any clear text to support your view?
"Now to be reconciled is to be saved from the penalty of your sins. Ones believing has absolutely nothing to do with it."

In your twisted religion perhaps but not in biblical theology.

Do you not have any of these verses in your bible: Roms 10-9-10, Eph 1:13, Acts 16:30-31, Rom 3:21-26

Or do you just ignore them as they prove your philosophy is wrong?

 

[Brightfame52]

You keep saying this but do you have any clear text to support your view?
"Now to be reconciled is to be saved from the penalty of your sins. Ones believing has absolutely nothing to do with it."

In your twisted religion perhaps but not in biblical theology.

Do you not have any of these verses in your bible: Roms 10-9-10, Eph 1:13, Acts 16:30-31, Rom 3:21-26

Or do you just ignore them as they prove your philosophy is wrong?

Rom 5:10 states clearly that them who Christ died for were reconciled to God even while being enemies. What more proof do you need ?

 

[Silverhair]

Rom 5:10 states clearly that them who Christ died for were reconciled to God even while being enemies. What more proof do you need ?

Reconciled is not saved BF. You are ignoring the word of God. When you build your religion on one verse it has a faulty foundation.

You need man saved before they even believe in Christ. You can prattle on all you want but it will not change the word of God that you continue to ignore.

The foundation of your religion is not the bible but the faulty theories of Augustine and the pagans he got his ideas from.

In a theological sense, reconciliation is seen as God's action to restore a broken relationship with man, through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Reconciliation does not save anyone but it does allow for anyone to be saved through faith in the risen Christ.

We are reconciled through the blood of Christ so if that meant that one was saved then the whole world would have been saved at the cross.

1 Jn 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

If you continue with the view you are presenting BF then you a holding to a view that is heresy, universalism.

 

[Brightfame52]

@Silverhair

Reconciled is not saved BF.

False one is saved from the penalty of their sins as reconciled.

 

[Silverhair]

@Silverhair



False one is saved from the penalty of their sins as reconciled.

As I said you can keep saying it but it does not make it true.

You have placed your future in the hands of men and their man-made religion.

The foundation of Calvinism is pagan and you have drank the kool aid.

BF you choose to ignore the best part of the verse you quote.
Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

The verse is clear even those that have been reconciled still need to freely trust in the risen Christ if they are to be saved.

Your selective reading of scripture is why you are following the false teachings of the C/R philosophy.