Just saying what it really is.
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What mans religion teaches about faith and repentance !
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Just saying what it really is.
Silverhair
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Look at your religion BF it is very pride Inducing. You think you were chosen B4 creation, that God loves you so much that He saves you through unconditional election and irresistibly draws you to Himself.
Now if that isn't pride inducing I'm not sure what would be.
Silverhair
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Your inability to understand even basic concepts is astounding.
The Bible says we are saved by Grace through faith, those that hear the gospel and believe the gospel will be saved. I have no problem believing that as it is the word of God. You seem to have a problem believing that because you trust more in your Calvinism than you do in God's word.
Silverhair
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Just stating the reality I trusted in God and I was saved those don't trust in God are not saved you can see that in John 3:18
Silverhair
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As it says "by His doing you are in Christ Jesus". This just confirms what Ephesians 1:13, Romans 10:9-10, and Ephesians 2:8-9 tell us.
If I thought I was so special that God chose me B4 creation then that would be boasting.
Si if you want to see who is boastful, look in the mirror BF.
Brightfame52
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Those who condition salvation on what they do are the proud ones. My salvation is based solely on what Christ has done, He met all the conditions God required of Him to save sinners.
Brightfame52
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You admit it, God saved you based upon you being more humble than the next sinner, boasting
Brightfame52
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You met conditions other sinners didnt meet, so God saved you over them.
Brightfame52
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I boast in the Lord, let me tell you what He did for my Soul. Ps 34:1-2
I will bless the Lord at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth.
2 My soul shall make her boast in the Lord: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.
Silverhair
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I agree Christ met all the conditions to save sinners, now the sinner has to trust in the one that made his salvation possible. You know; hear believe, whoever believes, trust in Him, trust in the Lord.
If we went by your misunderstanding of your words then we would have universalism as all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God but as you said He met all the conditions God required so no conditions for the sinner.
Silverhair
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Yep That is just what I did I humbled myself before Him and trusted in Him to save me.
Where is the boasting in that BF?
Actually do you even know what boasting means? Because from your posts I do think you do.
Silverhair
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You got it. All sinners could have been saved if they had just trusted in Him rather than themselves.
Silverhair
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You can post those words but I have to question whether you can say they apply to you. You cannot even know for sure if you are saved as you, by your own words, did not even have faith in God before you think He saved you.
You have to hope that the feeling that you are saved is actually true. That's the problem with the C/R view. It contradicts the word of God.
BF, there are Calvinists who believe they will come repentance and believe based on the fact of God's Election.
And there are those who believe because of God's Election repentance and believing is already taken care of for them.
This is a hyper-Calvinist!
Brightfame52
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Christ met the conditions , believing in Him is given as part of His Saving package. He gives Faith and repentance, they arent conditions but Gifts of Salvation. See He gives repentance to Israel as Saviour Acts 5:31
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
As Saviour He give both repentance and forgiveness of sins, this is what Peter preached. Oh and Israel is another name for His Elect, thats limited atonement as well
Brightfame52
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Notice the boasting folks " I humbled myself"
Brightfame52
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Those who condition salvation on what they do are the proud ones, boasters. My salvation is based solely on what Christ has done, He met all the conditions God required of Him to save sinners.
Brightfame52
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@Silverhair
False misrepresentation, nobody said a word about resaved. Salvation has phases, and there is a future Phase to experience at the second coming. of Christ Paul mentions it here Rom 13:11
11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
False misrepresentation, nobody said a word about resaved. Salvation has phases, and there is a future Phase to experience at the second coming. of Christ Paul mentions it here Rom 13:11
11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
Can you remember back to a time when you repented of your sins?
When you realized you were a sinner and in your heart you confessed it to God?
Silverhair
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Act 5:31 "He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Peter was speaking of the nation of Israel not spiritual Israel which Christians will be part of.
Salvation is a gift receive by the grace of God through faith.
Keep trying BF you just might come to understand the bible yet.