KJB1611reader
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Is Ezekiel 28 not Satan either than?
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Calvin denied Lucifer is Satan
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David Lamb
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Well I have just read through that chapter. The characters I saw mentioned in the chapter are: The Lord, Ezekiel, the Prince of Tyre, Daniel, strangers, the King of Tyre, the inhabitants of Sidon, Israel, Jacob, and the Gentiles. I couldn't see any mention of Satan.
KJB1611reader
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I mean its implied.
David Lamb
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Well, I would agree that the people mentioned in the chapter as doing evil would be under the temptation of Satan, so I suppose in that sense he is implied.
James does not contradict Paul.
For your own sake I suggest you purchase a translation of the Bibke that you can understand and read it rather than posting sbout what you have failed to grasp.
Posting on a forum is not important. God's Word is important.
First understand God's Word, the. In your spare time (if you want) post on forums. As it stands it is painfully obvious that you lack understanding. You can remedy this by simply reading and studying the Bible.
If you belong to an organization that teaches Jane's contradicts Paul, that the KJV is the only legitimate translation of God's Word in English, that salvation in James applies only to Jews,....you belong to a cult, nor a church. Run away and find a Bible believing church that will spend time discipline you and helping you overcome the heresies false teachers have fed you.
KJB1611reader
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I have never being to such church. I do read the Bible, 1611.
Sorry, I took the "we" as such an organization.
Who taught you that James contradicted Paul, that "Lucifer" was Satan's name, that the King James translation is a perfect translation, that salvation in James is for the Jew only, and that translations in the English vernacular are not God's Word?
I ask because you didn't (obviously) get any of that from the Bible itself but there are some cults that teach such heresies.
KJB1611reader
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Rick, can give me the source for Andrew Lanc preaching Lucifer as Jesus in Peter?
KJB1611reader
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Ruckman, Robert Breaker, Gene Kim, and Roy Bell. Also, Gail.
KJB1611reader
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Though Lucifer as Satan, I.didn't learn that from them. It was nautral perception or from sunday school.
Ah....Ruckmanism. I forget sometimes that they claim to be Baotist although they exist outside of orthodox Christianity.
You probably mentioned this but I missed it. But that makes since of some of your posts.
You would do better to trust God and His Word rather than those men.
KJB1611reader
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I barely watch them anymore and guess what? I can't. I don't watch.videos on them any more. I.just read Bible.
You mean Sunday School taught it to you (it is mot a natural perception of God's Word because Scripture is very clear about who is being called helel).
I argue strongly often, but I do not disrespect you for your beliefs (even though Peter Ruckman was a cult leader snd a heretic....I'd avoid him). That said, I don't respect your beliefs because they lean towards Mormonism at too many points and ultimately put faith in me rather than God (men saying the KJV came from special revelation).
KJB1611reader
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Do at least agree with the the Gospel they preach? Robert's.
The issue is you drank the kool-aid (you no longer need to watch them to read them into Scripture).
Ruckman preaches a dead, useless "gospel". I don't agree with him.
Robert Breaker teaches a false gospel in that he divorces Paul's explanation and application from the gospel of
Jesus Christ. Breaker teaches the "gospel of Paul" as he understands Paul, not the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Perhaps you read the KJV subjectively or incorrectly after having been taught false KJV-only doctrine and after having read unreliable, biased KJV-only sources.
You seem to make assumptions concerning the KJV that involve use of fallacies such as begging the question. You presume or assume as true unproven, non-scriptural KJV-only premises.
Layman
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I have come to the conclusion that they do preach a false Gospel because it is Gospel absent of repentance.
I’m not sure if you’re aware, but Peter Ruckman was undoubtedly a racist. Calling “race-mixers” mentally ill and agreeing with everything the KKK stands for except for their antisemitism is on the mild side compared to some of the other things he has said.
This site lists a number of examples from his own writings.
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KJB1611reader
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If I may make a small suggestion that may help you in your studies -
Keep reading your KJV but also include the NKJV. This will give you more perspective as both are legitimate transkations. Just don't get caught up where they use different words.
Keep in mind that the KJV, NKJV, NIV, ESV abd NASB are all legitimate translations of the source text they use. They are all God's Word.
Remember that when you read an English language Bible you are reading a translation.
Invest in a book or course that teaches how to read Scripture. This helps bridge the gap between ancient texts and modern thought. I recommend Grasping God's Word. This will not give you interpretations or doctrine, but it will help develop a method and prevent many errors.
If I may make a small suggestion that may help you in your studies -
Keep reading your KJV but also include the NKJV. This will give you more perspective as both are legitimate transkations. Just don't get caught up where they use different words.
Keep in mind that the KJV, NKJV, NIV, ESV abd NASB are all legitimate translations of the source text they use. They are all God's Word.
Remember that when you read an English language Bible you are reading a translation.
Invest in a book or course that teaches how to read Scripture. This helps bridge the gap between ancient texts and modern thought. I recommend Grasping God's Word. This will not give you interpretations or doctrine, but it will help develop a method and prevent many errors.
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