Does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all men without exception ?

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@Zaatar71

BF, We were not born saved...sorry.

Thats false, What Christ did for the elect saved them legally from the penalty of sin, and Justified them and reconciled them to God. And they are born that way. Now granted, they are born spiritually lost and dead in sin, but they will be saved from that as well when they are born again. So if you deny that the elect are saved legally before they are born, by the death of Christ, thats a problem, a serious one at that my friend.

2 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Now yes, we are born spiritually dead and lost, however the elect are still saved legally by the death of Christ from the penalty of their sins.

You are not familiar with the different phases of salvation. There's a legal phase, a spiritual phase, and eternal phase, and a glorified phase.

The elect are born already saved in the eternal phase and legal phase. Now if you deny this, its serious, may God open your eyes to what Im telling you

 

[Brightfame52]

Faith is not a work BF.
You should know this but it is obvious that there are a number of things you should know but which you do not.

The act of believing is a work. Faith the noun isnt a work, but its product of believing a verb is. Most people believe their act of believing saved them, that's works. If you believe your own Faith in you, a noun saved you that's merit salvation, God saved you because of the good quality of Faith in you. So either way, you are in serious error.

 

[Zaatar71]

@Zaatar71



Thats false, What Christ did for the elect saved them legally from the penalty of sin, and Justified them and reconciled them to God. And they are born that way. Now granted, they are born spiritually lost and dead in sin, but they will be saved from that as well when they are born again. So if you deny that the elect are saved legally before they are born, by the death of Christ, thats a problem, a serious one at that my friend.



Now yes, we are born spiritually dead and lost,

We are not lost and saved at the same time.

however the elect are still saved legally by the death of Christ from the penalty of their sins.

I have presented a bible case for you. You do not accept it. That is your right.

You are not familiar with the different phases of salvation.

Oh, but I am.

There's a legal phase, a spiritual phase, and eternal phase, and a glorified phase.

The elect are born already saved in the eternal phase and legal phase. Now if you deny this, its serious, may God open your eyes to what Im telling you

Sorry, You believe a novelty. I will stick with my understanding

 

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