Understanding Deuteronomy 31:19-21

[Van]

This passage teaches us about an aspect or attribute of God. In the passage, God anticipates those brought into the promised land with prosper and then turn away from God and practice evil. So God tells Moses to write a song and teach it to the sons of Israel, so that the song will be a witness to the descendants

Some might jump to the unwarranted conclusion this passage supports God's detailed knowledge of the future actions of people. But what does the passage actually say? God knew inclinations of the people being brought to the promised land, which they were developing in that day, not the future.

With study, many unbiblical myths are found to lack any actual support in the passages often cited as support.

 

[Aaron]

With that post, you're right about here, ready to fall in:

Romans 1:23 - And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man....

With study, many of the pitfalls of carnal thinking can be avoided.

 

[Van]

With that post, you're right about here, ready to fall in:

Romans 1:23 - And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man....

With study, many of the pitfalls of carnal thinking can be avoided.

LOL, Aaron disparages me, and does not address the topic, other than imply "taint so."

 

[Zaatar71]

This passage teaches us about an aspect or attribute of God. In the passage, God anticipates those brought into the promised land with prosper and then turn away from God and practice evil. So God tells Moses to write a song and teach it to the sons of Israel, so that the song will be a witness to the descendants

There is never a time where God does not know exactly what will happen. He does not guess, He knows.

Some might jump to the unwarranted conclusion this passage supports God's detailed knowledge of the future actions of people.

It is not unwarranted but rather demanded by the text;
28 Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them.

29 For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.

30 And Moses spake in the ears of all the congregation of Israel the words of this song, until they were ended.

But what does the passage actually say? God knew inclinations of the people being brought to the promised land, which they were developing in that day, not the future.

Did God ask you to help Him out, and translate it to your own carnal thoughts on this? The text is clear, without any doubt or hesitation.

With study, many unbiblical myths are found to lack any actual support in the passages often cited as support.

Not in this place.

 

[Zaatar71]

With that post, you're right about here, ready to fall in:

Romans 1:23 - And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man....

With study, many of the pitfalls of carnal thinking can be avoided.

Yes, some cannot resist inserting themselves into the text.

 

[Van]

A bible student believes he or she does not know how to correctly handle the word of truth. but others will shout whatever their indoctrination taught them. Or attack the messenger of truth with gossip, slander and misrepresentation. We know them by their fruits.

 

[Van]

God taking action to fulfill His plan of redemption, based on the inclinations of existing people, does not support the idea God had chosen to know their future actions by predestining their future actions.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Isaiah 46:8-11.
'Remember this, and show yourselves men;
Recall to mind, O you transgressors.
Remember the former things of old,
For I am God and there is no other;
I am God and there is none like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, "My counsel will stand, and I will do all My pleasure."
Calling a bird of prey from the east,
The man who executes My counsel, from a far country.
Indeed, I have spoken it; I will also bring it to pass.
I have purposed it; I will also do it.'

 

[Aaron]

LOL, Aaron disparages me, and does not address the topic, other than imply "taint so."

LOL. The topic was addressed. Your assertion that God does not know certain things is thinking of God like a man. I'm not disparaging you, I'm warning you.

 

[Van]

LOL. The topic was addressed. Your assertion that God does not know certain things is thinking of God like a man. I'm not disparaging you, I'm warning you.

A bible student believes he or she does not know how to correctly handle the word of truth. but others will shout whatever their indoctrination taught them. Or attack the messenger of truth with gossip, slander and misrepresentation. We know them by their fruits.

 

[Van]

Returning to topic, I expect it will be news to inform all these "taint so posters" that God declares the end from the beginning, because He will fulfill His prophecy, or in other words, make whatever was declared to happen. No crystal ball is involved.

 

[Aaron]

A bible student believes he or she does not know how to correctly handle the word of truth. but others will shout whatever their indoctrination taught them. Or attack the messenger of truth with gossip, slander and misrepresentation. We know them by their fruits.

You crack me up when you respond with pontifications and extemporaneous maxims.

 

[Van]

You crack me up when you respond with pontifications and extemporaneous maxims.

Once again, the topic is not addressed, just the usual change of topic to my supposed flaws. What wonderful fruit to behold....

 

[Van]

Bible study requires we leave our comfort zone, and accept that our prior beliefs, based perhaps on what others have told us is true, might be wrong. Thus our pride supports the status quo, the "don't rock the boat" acceptance of traditions over truth.

 

[kyredneck]

God knew.... not the future.

This is the Song of Moses, that tells of 'that generation' that murdered Christ and persecuted His Church, and it most definitely foretold the future:

Deuteronomy Chapter 32

21​	They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; They have provoked me to anger with their vanities: And I will move them to jealousy with those that are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

 

[kyredneck]

Same song:

Deuteronomy Chapter 31

19​	Now therefore write ye this song for you, and teach thou it the children of Israel: put it in their mouths, that this song may be a witness for me against the children of Israel.

Revelation Chapter 15

3​	And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, O Lord God, the Almighty; righteous and true are thy ways, thou King of the ages.

 

[Van]

Ever wonder why certain posters that share a common theological outlook, misrepresent others? I is strange behavior for believers.

What I said, " God knew inclinations of the people being brought to the promised land, which they were developing in that day, not the future."
What was posted "God knew... not the future."

Nuff said....

 

[kyredneck]

What was posted "God knew... not the future."

It's exactly what you said:

" God knew inclinations of the people being brought to the promised land, which they were developing in that day, not the future."

God absolutely knew 'that generation' was to come, which is the topic of this prophecy.

 

[Zaatar71]

This is the Song of Moses, that tells of 'that generation' that murdered Christ and persecuted His Church, and it most definitely foretold the future:

Deuteronomy Chapter 32

21​	They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; They have provoked me to anger with their vanities: And I will move them to jealousy with those that are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

Exactly correct. The bible often tells us exactly what it means when we compare scripture with scripture. Thank you for this solid post.

 

[Van]

It's exactly what you said:

" God knew inclinations of the people being brought to the promised land, which they were developing in that day, not the future."

God absolutely knew 'that generation' was to come, which is the topic of this prophecy.

Obviously, this poster believes he didn't imply I said God did not know the future. These guys are something special...