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A Perfect Righteousness
- Thread starter KenH
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Yes, That is why all man centered worship is a works righteousness
Yes another thread pushing what I believe is false doctrine!
Romans 9:16 says lost men will desire salvation and do works for salvation. Thus, some lost people are aware they need to have their sins forgiven.
Does the saved person become perfect by imputation? Nope. Born anew believers are perfected (made perfect) after they are set apart in Christ, the sanctifying work of the Spirit.
Ask yourselves why the OT saints have to wait in "Abraham's bosom" until they could be made perfect if God would just declare them perfect. No, the sacrifice of Christ was required, they had to undergo the washing of regeneration.
Romans 9:16 says lost men will desire salvation and do works for salvation. Thus, some lost people are aware they need to have their sins forgiven.
Does the saved person become perfect by imputation? Nope. Born anew believers are perfected (made perfect) after they are set apart in Christ, the sanctifying work of the Spirit.
Ask yourselves why the OT saints have to wait in "Abraham's bosom" until they could be made perfect if God would just declare them perfect. No, the sacrifice of Christ was required, they had to undergo the washing of regeneration.
KenH
Well-Known Member
The only perfect righteousness is that of the Lord Jesus Christ that He finished on behalf of God's elect, whom God chose before the world began. There is no other righteousness that God will accept except that of His Son. None of the elect are righteous in themselves, their righteousness is that of Christ imputed to them.
Anyone without the righteousness of Christ at the Day of Judgment will be damned forever.
Some say the lost become perfect by imputation, God declaring the person righteous. That is false doctrine.
Born anew believers are made perfect, they are perfected in Christ alone.
Did Christ die on behave of God's elect, or did He die as a ransom for all, those to be saved and those never to be saved. See 1 Timothy 2:4-6.
Born anew believers are made perfect, they are perfected in Christ alone.
Did Christ die on behave of God's elect, or did He die as a ransom for all, those to be saved and those never to be saved. See 1 Timothy 2:4-6.
More false doctrine, did you see any verse or passage cited.
Was Hebrews 10:4 addressed? Nope
Was Hebrews 11:39-40 addressed? Nope
All these people do is make false claims. Here, the existence of "Abraham's bosom" is questioned, rather than supported. See Luke 16:22
KenH
Well-Known Member
NO! Christ laid down His life for the sheep, not the goats. (John 10:15)
"Who gave himself a ransom for all,.... What the Mediator gave as a ransom for men is "himself", his body and his soul, which were both made an offering for sin; and his life, which is the result of union between soul and body; his whole human nature as in union with his divine person,
and so might be truly said to be himself: this he gave into the hands of men, of justice and of death; and that voluntarily, which shows his great love to his people; and also as a "ransom", or a ransom price for them, αντιλυτρον, in their room and stead; to ransom them from the slavery of sin, and damnation by it, from the captivity of Satan, and the bondage of the law, and from the grave, death, hell, ruin, and destruction: and this ransom was given for "all"; not for every individual of mankind, for then all would be delivered, freed, and saved, whereas they are not; or else the ransom price is paid in vain, or God is unjust to receive a sufficient ransom price from Christ, and yet not free the captive, but punish the person for whom he has received satisfaction; neither of which can be said. But the meaning is, either that he gave himself a ransom for many, as in Matt 20:28 for the Hebrew word כל, to which this answers, signifies sometimes many, a multitude, and sometimes only a part of a multitude...or rather it intends that Christ gave himself a ransom for all sorts of men, for men of every rank and quality, of every state and condition, of every age and sex, and for all sorts of sinners, and for some out of every kindred, tongue, people, and nation, for both Jews and Gentiles; which latter may more especially be designed by all, as they are sometimes by the world, and the whole world; and so contains another argument why all sorts of men are to be prayed for, since the same ransom price is given for them; as that for the children of Israel was the same, for the rich as for the poor."
- excerpt from John Gill's Bible commentary on 2 Timothy 2:6
More false doctrine, more nonsense.
God desires all people to be saved, 1 Timothy 2:4. To provide the means of reconciliation for all people, Christ died as a ransom for all. 1 Timothy 2:6. He purchased or bought those to be saved and those never to be saved. 2 Peter 2:1.
Yes....here is another solid quote of truth from scripture. Some do not like it.
Good Grief, those chosen for salvation under the Old Covenant were taken to Abraham's bosom, something in the spiritual realm. Now you seem to believe the physical whirlwind into the physical first heaven (earth's atmosphere where birds and clouds and winds abide) took the Old Testament saint into God' abode, the third heaven, and Jesus was wrong, and the author of Hebrews was wrong. This is all they have folks, false and absurd claims.
More shooting the messenger, but not a verse of support.
God desires all people to be saved, 1 Timothy 2:4. To provide the means of reconciliation for all people, Christ died as a ransom for all. 1 Timothy 2:6. He purchased or bought those to be saved and those never to be saved. 2 Peter 2:1.
KenH
Well-Known Member
Your idea is easily refuted. If Christ paid a person's sin debt, then that sin debt is FOREVER paid. It is can NEVER be brought up again. They are cast "into the depths of the sea." (Micah 7:19)
A hymn written by Augustus Toplady. (in 8.8.6 meter)
Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
Psalm 116:7 Return unto thy rest, O my soul; For the LORD hath dealt bountifully with thee.
1. From whence this fear and unbelief?
Hast thou, O Father, put to grief
Thy spotless Son for me?
And will the righteous Judge of men
Condemn me for that debt of sin
Which, Lord, was charged on Thee?
2. Complete atonement Thou hast made,
And to the utmost farthing paid
Whate'er Thy people owed:
How then can wrath on me take place,
If shelter'd in Thy righteousness,
And sprinkled with Thy blood?
3. If Thou hast my discharge procured,
And freely in my room endured
The whole of wrath divine,
Payment God cannot twice demand,
First at my bleeding Surety's hand,
And then again at mine.
4. Turn, then, my soul, unto thy rest;
The merits of thy great High Priest
Speak peace and liberty:
Trust in His efficacious blood,
Nor fear thy banishment from God,
Since Jesus died for thee.
Here we have yet another edited quote, misrepresenting what I said. These folks are deceivers, pushing false doctrine.
Here is what I said:
Did Christ die on behave of God's elect, or did He die as a ransom for all, those to be saved and those never to be saved. See 1 Timothy 2:4-6.
More copy and paste false doctrine. See 2 Peter 2:1, the fact Christ purchased the person heading for destruction proves dying for all does not equate with saving all, the false claim made here.
More attacking me and running from the topic.
1) Abraham's bosom exists
2) Christ died as a ransom for all
3) All people were thus purchased, those to be saved and those never to be saved.
4) Christ became the means of reconciliation for the whole of humanity.
5) Only those individuals whose faith God credits as righteousness are transferred into Christ and made perfect by the washing of regeneration
6) Our regeneration resulted in being made alive together with Christ.
7) Everyone given (transferred into) Christ will not be cast out.
KenH
Well-Known Member
"who privily shall bring in damnable heresies: errors in the fundamental doctrines of the Gospel; such as relate to a trinity of persons in the Godhead; and to the person of Christ, to his proper deity, distinct personality, eternal sonship, and real humanity; and to his office as Mediator, rejecting him as the true Messiah, and as the only Saviour of sinners; denying his sacrifice and satisfaction, and the imputation of his righteousness; and to the Holy Spirit, his deity, personality, and divine influences and operations: these are "damnable", or "destructive", or "heresies of destruction"; which lead to eternal destruction both those that introduce and propagate them, and those that embrace and profess them; for they remove, or attempt to remove, the foundation of eternal life and happiness: the manner in which these are usually introduced is "privily"; at unawares, secretly, under a disguise, and gradually, by little and little, and not at once, and openly; and which is the constant character and practice of such men, who lie in wait to deceive, creep into churches...unawares, and into houses privately; and insinuate their principles under specious pretences and appearances of truth, using the hidden things of dishonesty, walking in craftiness, handling the word of God deceitfully, and colouring things with false glosses and feigned words: and even denying the Lord that bought them; not the Lord Jesus Christ, but God the Father; for the word κυριος is not here used, which always is where Christ is spoken of as the Lord, but δεσποτης; and which is expressive of the power which masters have over their servants, and which God has over all mankind; and wherever this word is elsewhere used, it is spoken of God the Father, whenever applied to a divine person, as in Luke 2:29 and especially this appears to be the sense, from the parallel text in Jude 1:4 where the Lord God denied by those men is manifestly distinguished from our Lord Jesus Christ, and by whom these persons are said to be bought: the meaning is not that they were redeemed by the blood of Christ, for Christ is not intended; and besides, whenever redemption by Christ is spoken of, the price is usually mentioned, or some circumstance or another which fully determines the sense; see Acts 20:28 whereas here is not the least hint of anything of this kind: add to this, that such who are redeemed by Christ are the elect of God only, the people of Christ, his sheep and friends, and church, and who are never left to deny him so as to perish eternally; for could such be lost, or deceive, or be deceived finally and totally by damnable heresies, and bring on themselves swift destruction, Christ's purchase would be in vain, and the ransom price be paid for nought; but the word "bought" regards temporal mercies and deliverance, which these men enjoyed, and is used as an aggravation of their sin in denying the Lord; both by words, delivering out such tenets as are derogatory to the glory of the divine perfections, and which deny one or other of them, and of his purposes, providence, promises, and truths; and by works, turning the doctrine of the grace of God into lasciviousness, being disobedient and reprobate to every good work; that they should act this part against the Lord who had made them, and upheld them in their beings and took care of them in his providence, and had followed them with goodness and mercy all the days of their lives."
- excerpt from John Gill's Bible commentary on 2 Peter 2:1