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Relics and Miraculous Bleeding and Weeping

Cathode

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God’s Grace can work through objects. Paul’s handkerchief and apron for instance.
These were taken to the sick who were healed and evil spirits left them.

Relics of the saints are used biblically, but you will only find relics in the Apostolic Churches.

First class relics show an incredible reality.

“And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of raiders; and they cast the man into the sepulcher of Elisha. And when the man was let down and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived and stood up on his feet.” 2 Kings 13:21

The bones themselves contained the Grace of God.

Different classes of relics can contain God’s Grace.

Protestants and Baptist’s don’t have or use relics, and this is unbiblical.

They consistently deny God’s Grace can be conveyed through objects, even though it is plainly demonstrated in Scripture.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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God’s Grace can work through objects. Paul’s handkerchief and apron for instance.
These were taken to the sick who were healed and evil spirits left them.

Relics of the saints are used biblically, but you will only find relics in the Apostolic Churches.

First class relics show an incredible reality.

“And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of raiders; and they cast the man into the sepulcher of Elisha. And when the man was let down and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived and stood up on his feet.” 2 Kings 13:21

The bones themselves contained the Grace of God.

Different classes of relics can contain God’s Grace.

Protestants and Baptist’s don’t have or use relics, and this is unbiblical.

They consistently deny God’s Grace can be conveyed through objects, even though it is plainly demonstrated in Scripture.
Post some examples then
 

Cathode

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Post some examples then

Of relics?

Man, where do I start.

There are literally millions of them.

Padre Pio is a recent saint whose second class relics are all over the world, having powerful effects.

Look up relics and healings, there are countless testimonies.

Second class relics are something the holy person owned or touched, like Paul’s handkerchief or apron.

So many miracles of healing have been attributed to the Grace conveyed by holy relics, and demons recognise holy relics of the saints at exorcisms, they don’t like them at all.
That’s why you notice many Exorcists carry them, Paul’s relics drove out evil spirits in the Scriptures, just their presence is offensive to demons.
That’s why we use them.

By Grace we are the light of world, and this holy Grace permeates us and all about us, even ordinary objects are radiated by this Grace.
Light like Grace is meant to go out to all the world and bless, Grace is not static, it flows out and makes holy, it heals and brings light to the dark.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Of relics?

Man, where do I start.

There are literally millions of them.

Padre Pio is a recent saint whose second class relics are all over the world, having powerful effects.

Look up relics and healings, there are countless testimonies.

Second class relics are something the holy person owned or touched, like Paul’s handkerchief or apron.

So many miracles of healing have been attributed to the Grace conveyed by holy relics, and demons recognise holy relics of the saints at exorcisms, they don’t like them at all.
That’s why you notice many Exorcists carry them, Paul’s relics drove out evil spirits in the Scriptures, just their presence is offensive to demons.
That’s why we use them.

By Grace we are the light of world, and this holy Grace permeates us and all about us, even ordinary objects are radiated by this Grace.
Light like Grace is meant to go out to all the world and bless, Grace is not static, it flows out and makes holy, it heals and brings light to the dark.
Scripture as in the word of God.
I remember in my boyhood going to the St. Anne monastery in Scranton Pennsylvania in order to wait in line to have a relic of St.Anne pressed into my forehead…for what, but I was obedient to my grandparents who periodically took me there for stations of the cross, high masses, novenas etc. would they have focused on the scriptures, what God does for us to make us his children and save us from the clutches of Satan, then I would have understood.
 
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OLD SARGE

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Cathode

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These narrated videos ravet on about what was said and what discovered by someone, yet we don’t hear the person themselves directly talking. It’s just sensationalist and prejudiced poo, telling you what was said, and steering you to conclusions without evidence.
It’s like one of those never ending narrated internet sales videos promising something but never really revealing anything.

One of my English and History teachers said “ The most important thing I can teach you is to be a critical thinkers, very few people today engage in critical thinking. “

Thus becoming the gullible dupes of anything said.

Besides, you are changing the subject.
 

OLD SARGE

Active Member
During a time of revival the king destroyed the brazen serpent because it had become an idol, much like the fake shroud of Turin. Do we have any of those handkerchiefs? No. They were used, but not meant to be venerated. Who would keep Mary's chamber pot. if she even had one? One of professors was traveling in Europe and supposedly saw the head of John the Baptist in Spain. Later, in Italy, he also saw what was supposed to be the head of John the Baptist. When he asked the cleric about it he said without missing a beat, "My son they have the head of John the Baptist when he was young and we have his head when he was old." The Bible says they buried John's body. Why? Since y'all claim to have the hand of James why not divvy the body of the one Jesus said was the greatest of all time?

The Roman Catholic Institution may have well be a part of the true church in the beginning, but has been apostate for centuries. If we are to judge by fruit then the numerous murderous Inquisitions, the violent forced conversions of many around the world, persecution of the Jews, the bastardization of Judaism and Christianity that Paul wrote against and the paganism then we have to say that the Roman corporation is not the true church of God. Considering its great wealth and lavish churches in impoverished nations it is more of a business than a church much like the hyper-Charismatic prosperity gospel folks.

Many of her children birthed in the Reformation have lost their virginity becoming harlots and are returning to their mother. She is the great Harlot of Revelation and one her popes will be the false prophet that will point people to the Anti-Christ.

I spent four years in a town where I was the only German, Baptist, Republican in the neighborhood of Polish, Catholic, Democrats. My son and I shoveled the snow of our elderly neighbor who could not understand why we did it for free when the priest would not pray for him for less than $3 back in the 80s.

A pastor I served with had 50% of his family being Catholic and the other 50% Baptist. He officiated along with a Monseigneur at the funeral of a relative. At the wake, he was summoned by the Monseigneur and asked where he got his sermon material about Jesus going to prepare a place for us. My friend said, "In the Bible, the Gospel of John." The Monseigneur then turned his back on my friend and that was that.

There is enough of the truth in the institution that a person can be saved if they can get past all of the heresy. Sadly, many will just tout the company line and end up in Hell thinking they are in Purgatory hoping someone is paying the price for candles and prayers to get them out.

I care about Catholic people, but not the den of iniquity that the organization has become.
 

Silverhair

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During a time of revival the king destroyed the brazen serpent because it had become an idol, much like the fake shroud of Turin. Do we have any of those handkerchiefs? No. They were used, but not meant to be venerated. Who would keep Mary's chamber pot. if she even had one? One of professors was traveling in Europe and supposedly saw the head of John the Baptist in Spain. Later, in Italy, he also saw what was supposed to be the head of John the Baptist. When he asked the cleric about it he said without missing a beat, "My son they have the head of John the Baptist when he was young and we have his head when he was old." The Bible says they buried John's body. Why? Since y'all claim to have the hand of James why not divvy the body of the one Jesus said was the greatest of all time?

The Roman Catholic Institution may have well be a part of the true church in the beginning, but has been apostate for centuries. If we are to judge by fruit then the numerous murderous Inquisitions, the violent forced conversions of many around the world, persecution of the Jews, the bastardization of Judaism and Christianity that Paul wrote against and the paganism then we have to say that the Roman corporation is not the true church of God. Considering its great wealth and lavish churches in impoverished nations it is more of a business than a church much like the hyper-Charismatic prosperity gospel folks.

Many of her children birthed in the Reformation have lost their virginity becoming harlots and are returning to their mother. She is the great Harlot of Revelation and one her popes will be the false prophet that will point people to the Anti-Christ.

I spent four years in a town where I was the only German, Baptist, Republican in the neighborhood of Polish, Catholic, Democrats. My son and I shoveled the snow of our elderly neighbor who could not understand why we did it for free when the priest would not pray for him for less than $3 back in the 80s.

A pastor I served with had 50% of his family being Catholic and the other 50% Baptist. He officiated along with a Monseigneur at the funeral of a relative. At the wake, he was summoned by the Monseigneur and asked where he got his sermon material about Jesus going to prepare a place for us. My friend said, "In the Bible, the Gospel of John." The Monseigneur then turned his back on my friend and that was that.

There is enough of the truth in the institution that a person can be saved if they can get past all of the heresy. Sadly, many will just tout the company line and end up in Hell thinking they are in Purgatory hoping someone is paying the price for candles and prayers to get them out.

I care about Catholic people, but not the den of iniquity that the organization has become.

Satan uses relics to fool the unwary. It is not the relic that drives out the demon but the demon doing the bidding of his master, Satan.

By this method Satan has convinced those of the RCC to trust in the relic rather than prayer to the one who has the power and authority, The Lord Jesus.
 

Cathode

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In the Spiritual economy just as Grace can make objects holy, and convey that Grace to heal, and deliver. Evil can make objects unholy, and convey harm, harass and possess by evil.

This has long been known by people know the spiritual.

Witches use objects in voodoo, Wicca and many forms to curse and harm by preternatural power of evil spirits.

The Church blesses simple things of creation like oil, salt, water and candles and incense in The Holy Name of God to counter these evil and malevolent things.
And they work, I have seen them work.

“For every creation of God is good, and nothing that is received with thanksgiving should be rejected, because it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.” 1 Tim 4:5

“ Sanctified by the Word of God and prayer “

Catholics sanctify these things by the Word of God, The Holy Name of God and by prayer. To sanctify is to make them Holy, Holy water and Holy Oil for instance.
 

Cathode

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During a time of revival the king destroyed the brazen serpent because it had become an idol, much like the fake shroud of Turin. Do we have any of those handkerchiefs? No. They were used, but not meant to be venerated. Who would keep Mary's chamber pot. if she even had one? One of professors was traveling in Europe and supposedly saw the head of John the Baptist in Spain. Later, in Italy, he also saw what was supposed to be the head of John the Baptist. When he asked the cleric about it he said without missing a beat, "My son they have the head of John the Baptist when he was young and we have his head when he was old." The Bible says they buried John's body. Why? Since y'all claim to have the hand of James why not divvy the body of the one Jesus said was the greatest of all time?

The Roman Catholic Institution may have well be a part of the true church in the beginning, but has been apostate for centuries. If we are to judge by fruit then the numerous murderous Inquisitions, the violent forced conversions of many around the world, persecution of the Jews, the bastardization of Judaism and Christianity that Paul wrote against and the paganism then we have to say that the Roman corporation is not the true church of God. Considering its great wealth and lavish churches in impoverished nations it is more of a business than a church much like the hyper-Charismatic prosperity gospel folks.

Many of her children birthed in the Reformation have lost their virginity becoming harlots and are returning to their mother. She is the great Harlot of Revelation and one her popes will be the false prophet that will point people to the Anti-Christ.

I spent four years in a town where I was the only German, Baptist, Republican in the neighborhood of Polish, Catholic, Democrats. My son and I shoveled the snow of our elderly neighbor who could not understand why we did it for free when the priest would not pray for him for less than $3 back in the 80s.

A pastor I served with had 50% of his family being Catholic and the other 50% Baptist. He officiated along with a Monseigneur at the funeral of a relative. At the wake, he was summoned by the Monseigneur and asked where he got his sermon material about Jesus going to prepare a place for us. My friend said, "In the Bible, the Gospel of John." The Monseigneur then turned his back on my friend and that was that.

There is enough of the truth in the institution that a person can be saved if they can get past all of the heresy. Sadly, many will just tout the company line and end up in Hell thinking they are in Purgatory hoping someone is paying the price for candles and prayers to get them out.

I care about Catholic people, but not the den of iniquity that the organization has become.

Catholics venerate what is Holy, because of God’s Grace making it Holy.

Objects become Holy because of the Word of God and prayer, imagine Paul’s handkerchief he carried there as he preached the The Word of God to thousands.
Imagine Paul’s apron as he worked and prayed, the author “ pray constantly “ 1 Thessalonians.

“ Sanctified by the Word of God and prayer “

Atheists are more open to miracles, the most ardent deniers of miracles in my experience, have been Protestants and Baptist’s which still shocks me. They even have a name for them, Cessationists.

People need to read scriptures and meditate on them deeply, not shallow understandings, but truly understand the implications.

Paul’s relics conveyed God’s healing and delivering Grace, it shows that Grace can be conveyed by objects, it’s biblical and there for all time in Holy Scripture.

Think the better of it.
 

Cathode

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Satan uses relics to fool the unwary. It is not the relic that drives out the demon but the demon doing the bidding of his master, Satan.

By this method Satan has convinced those of the RCC to trust in the relic rather than prayer to the one who has the power and authority, The Lord Jesus.

So Paul’s relics conveyed to sick who were healed, and possessed who were delivered, were of Satan were they?

Look objectively and plainly at the scriptures and you can see very clearly God’s Grace can work through relics.

The Bronze serpent is the perfect example used rightly. It was only when it was used wrongly and worshipped as a god of itself that it had to be destroyed.

Relics are relics of the saints not gods themselves to be worshipped and made sacrifices to.

We see relics used in Scripture and miracles occurring, the real question is, why don’t we see relics and miracles in Protestant and Baptist circles?
 

Cathode

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At the back of every Catholic Church you will see a Holy Water cistern, avail yourselves of it, take some home, it has been sanctified by the Word of God, The Holy Name of God and prayer. Spiritual warfare these days is off the charts.
 
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