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God Cannot Deny Himself
- Thread starter KenH
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Yet another obscene thread, proclaiming false and vile doctrine. Of course God can save whoever He pleases, even if they hold to mistaken traditions such as Calvinism or Arminianism.
I believe I was saved at around age 15, and I held the views I was taught in Sunday School. The key was that I believed Jesus died for me, and that I was a wretched sinner in need of salvation, and that He loved me and would be my Savior and Lord.
I believe I was saved at around age 15, and I held the views I was taught in Sunday School. The key was that I believed Jesus died for me, and that I was a wretched sinner in need of salvation, and that He loved me and would be my Savior and Lord.
This poster loves to post off topic, non germane personal insults. But does he know that John used the phrase "believes into Him" rather than believes in Him?
Of course God can save whoever He pleases, even if they hold to mistaken traditions such as Calvinism or Arminianism.
I believe I was saved at around age 15, and I held the views I was taught in Sunday School. The key was that I believed Jesus died for me, and that I was a wretched sinner in need of salvation, and that He loved me and would be my Savior and Lord.
Romans 9:16 says our salvation does not depend upon what we will or do to be saved, but on God alone. Duh
David Lamb
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The obscene blurb defines "a false gospel" as one which is not perfectly in accord with God's truth. And that claim is obscene.
David Lamb
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I have just looked again at the OP. I see nothing there that demands 100% accord with God's truth. Of course, that should be the aim, but we are all human and therefore our knowledge of God and His truth is limited. Thew OP even gives examples of what they mean, including a change of life-style, joining in with what Christians do, and experiencing a moral reformation.
Once again, denial of the obvious. Here are the obscene blurb quotations that demand 100% accord with God's truth:
"God does not, will not, and cannot give faith to His people through a lie, for God cannot deny Himself."
"People do not come to faith in Jesus Christ by a false gospel."
Sure God provided the pure gospel in His inspired text, but our understanding of the gospel varies, and to claim only one interpretation results in salvation is obscene. The OP claims if the Calvinists are right, all of the Arminians are unsaved and vice versa. Totally Obscene!
Sounds like you are pathetically trying to change the subject from you obscene thread.
David Lamb
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Yet another dodge, another claim the OP does not mean what it says.
People can believe wrong things about the gospel, such as Calvinists, yet still God will accept them and save them because He knows their heart. The opposite of the OP claim.
Silverhair
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This post errors when it says God gives faith. Faith unto salvation is a response to the true gospel message. Rom 1:16, Rom 10:9-10
KenH
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Folks, don't fall for this false idea that it doesn't matter what you believe about Christ Jesus just as long as you "love" some "Jesus" of your own imagination. The apostle Paul sternly warned about falling for this false idea:
Galatians 1:8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again,
If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
Also, the apostle John is very clear that knowledge of the Christ of the Bible is vital:
1 John 5:10-11 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
Notice that God gives eternal life to His elect - they don't work for it, they don't earn it, they don't deserve it, because of anything they think, do, or say.
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KenH
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The post is in agreement with God's Word:
1 Corinthians 4:7 For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?
Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.
Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
Once again we have a false teacher being allowed to make an absolutely false claim, that it does not matter what a person believes. Did he support this with a quote? Nope. Ever wonder why all these folks only offer misrepresentations and never truth?
What does Matthew 23:13 say? That people who were in the process of entering the kingdom were prevented from entering by false teaching.
So our belief must be in accord with God's purpose, but not necessarily in accord with every detail of the gospel. But this verse actually shows us more, that we can respond to some of God's revelation, for they were entering, which means they did not need "irresistible grace" to respond, and that false teachings can lead people astray, again showing they were not compelled to believe all the right stuff. This is the truth the Calvinist are desperately trying to hide.
Silverhair
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Do you not believe that God looks at the heart and does not just depend upon the words spoken?
What does Paul tell us about salvation.
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
Contrary to what you have stated it does depend upon what the person does. They don't work for it, they don't earn it, they don't deserve it but they do have to do something, they have to believe.
As John said:
Joh 20:31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.