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Can We Observe the the Jewish Sabbath still as a Church or person?

Ben1445

Active Member
Well, Paul did go on the sabbath to the synagogue to preach to Jews.
That is because Paul wanted to see Israel saved.
Romans 10:1
Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

If they will be found in the synagogue studying, Paul is just going where he will find the people he is looking for. Who better to start with than the people who already know Scripture. The churches that were started on Paul’s missionary journeys weren’t brand new out of Gentile box churches. Many of the believers were followers of Scripture already When they were introduced to the truth of Jesus as the Christ, some people rejected and some believed. There were Gentiles saved but Paul went first to the synagogues wherever they were and afterwards to the Gentiles.

Acts 18
Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ. And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.

It is also seen as his travels are recorded that as he went, he looked for the synagogues.
 

JesusFan

Well-Known Member
That is because Paul wanted to see Israel saved.
Romans 10:1
Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

If they will be found in the synagogue studying, Paul is just going where he will find the people he is looking for. Who better to start with than the people who already know Scripture. The churches that were started on Paul’s missionary journeys weren’t brand new out of Gentile box churches. Many of the believers were followers of Scripture already When they were introduced to the truth of Jesus as the Christ, some people rejected and some believed. There were Gentiles saved but Paul went first to the synagogues wherever they were and afterwards to the Gentiles.

Acts 18
Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ. And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.

It is also seen as his travels are recorded that as he went, he looked for the synagogues.
And once he made a clear break with Judaism and took the gospel message to the Gentiles in His ministry, was assembling then on Sunday the "lords Day"
 

Ben1445

Active Member
And once he made a clear break with Judaism and took the gospel message to the Gentiles in His ministry, was assembling then on Sunday the "lords Day"
He did both.
He never made a clear break with Judaism. He was arrested visiting Jerusalem paying vows, a practice out of the Jewish law.
 

JesusFan

Well-Known Member
He did both.
He never made a clear break with Judaism. He was arrested visiting Jerusalem paying vows, a practice out of the Jewish law.
Paul never saw Himself as being a Pharisee after meeting the risen Christ, as he now saw that Judaism that He practiced and observed was no longer relevant under this New Covenant
 

atpollard

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Paul never saw Himself as being a Pharisee after meeting the risen Christ, as he now saw that Judaism that He practiced and observed was no longer relevant under this New Covenant
That is true, but Paul still wanted to reach all by any means and avoid being a stumbling block to anyone. I remember him having his companion (Timothy?) circumcised when visiting Jerusalem to avoid creating offense that might hamper the Gospel. His letter about "emasculation" makes it clear that Paul did not support circumcision as a general rule and Paul's fight with Peter shows that Paul did not fear the authority of Jerusalem or the other Apostles.

Paul must have cared about Jewish evangelism, too.
 

JesusFan

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That is true, but Paul still wanted to reach all by any means and avoid being a stumbling block to anyone. I remember him having his companion (Timothy?) circumcised when visiting Jerusalem to avoid creating offense that might hamper the Gospel. His letter about "emasculation" makes it clear that Paul did not support circumcision as a general rule and Paul's fight with Peter shows that Paul did not fear the authority of Jerusalem or the other Apostles.

Paul must have cared about Jewish evangelism, too.
True, Paul was careful to try not to offend others, so while in Rome acted Roman, while in jerusalem jewish, but He did not see Judaism as He knew it as being an essential part of his life now after saved and commissioned by Jesus
 

Ben1445

Active Member
Paul never saw Himself as being a Pharisee after meeting the risen Christ, as he now saw that Judaism that He practiced and observed was no longer relevant under this New Covenant
That is not true.

Acts 23:6
But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.

He said this after his missionary journeys as he was being arrested. This happened well after meeting the risen Christ.
 

JesusFan

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That is not true.

Acts 23:6
But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.

He said this after his missionary journeys as he was being arrested. This happened well after meeting the risen Christ.
Paul was smart there, as he knew taht question would cause a uprising among his enemies, but Paul counted His background as a Pharisee as dung after commissioned by the risen Christ
 

Ben1445

Active Member
Paul was smart there, as he knew taht question would cause a uprising among his enemies, but Paul counted His background as a Pharisee as dung after commissioned by the risen Christ
Philippians 3:8 (KJV) Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

He counted them as meritless for salvation. he did not say that he became a Non-Pharisee.
He counts them is the way he thinks about them. It is not what He did with them.
 

atpollard

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Just so it's understood that scripture is silent about Sunday being referred to as the "Lord's Day".
Yes and no.

YES … there is no verse that explicitly states “Sunday (the first day of the week) is the Lord’s Day.”

NO … Jesus Christ (the Lord) was resurrected on the first day of the week [Mark 16:9] and following that event, Jesus’ followers often gathered on the first day of the week [Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2] … therefore, the Bible does imply that the first day of the week was special to the early Church.

[Extra-biblical accounts of life in the first centuries offer additional historic insights, however you were specifically focused on “scripture”, so I have omitted them.]
 

Eternally Grateful

Active Member
Once saved and now under the new Covenant , is it OK now then to require a Sabbath observance still by either a church or individual basis?
remember, the sabbath was given for man. Not for God.

Whether we take Saturday off or Sunday. everyone needs to take a day to rest and get ready for the next week.
 

Salty

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Administrator
One way I like to relax is to go out for a drive - could be a couple hours!
(probably got that from my day who did the same thing)
'Under OT sabbath law - that would not be permitted.

some may go to a ball game on Sunday after noon.
so how do you relax?

Shopping? visiting a museum, working on a hobby, talking on the phone, posting on FB or BB,,,,,,,,
 

Eternally Grateful

Active Member
One way I like to relax is to go out for a drive - could be a couple hours!
(probably got that from my day who did the same thing)
'Under OT sabbath law - that would not be permitted.
would it though?

Driving a couple of hours is far different than walking a couple of hours..
some may go to a ball game on Sunday after noon.
so how do you relax?

Shopping? visiting a museum, working on a hobby, talking on the phone, posting on FB or BB,,,,,,,,
Visit family, Visit friends. Watch movies. read a book.. something to not only rest my body, but my mind..
 

Salty

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Administrator
would it though?

Driving a couple of hours is far different than walking a couple of hours..

Visit family, Visit friends. Watch movies. read a book.. something to not only rest my body, but my mind..
1) not sure what you are asking but I will answer both ways
A) Would it be permitted? OT law put the limit of travel to 2,000 cubits (0.6 miles)
B) Yes, Driving is a way to relax for me.

2) How is driving different from driving -personally, I prefer driving (to relax) than walking!

3) sounds good --- but on the the other hand - visiting family - to relax :Biggrin
 
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JesusFan

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Yes and no.

YES … there is no verse that explicitly states “Sunday (the first day of the week) is the Lord’s Day.”

NO … Jesus Christ (the Lord) was resurrected on the first day of the week [Mark 16:9] and following that event, Jesus’ followers often gathered on the first day of the week [Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2] … therefore, the Bible does imply that the first day of the week was special to the early Church.

[Extra-biblical accounts of life in the first centuries offer additional historic insights, however you were specifically focused on “scripture”, so I have omitted them.]
The witness of the ECH from the first 2 centuries though did state to us historically that the local church pretty much started to observe Sunday as the "Lords day" when Jesus arose and ushered in the new era relationship between God and man in the New Covenant
 

Salty

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Administrator
from above YES … there is no verse that explicitly states “Sunday (the first day of the week) is the Lord’s Day.”

and no verse explicitly states the doctrine of the Trinity!
 
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