God Cannot Deny Himself

[KenH]

, but not necessarily in accord with every detail of the gospel.

There is no salvation in a false gospel.

Galatians 1:8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again,
If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

 

[KenH]

Do you not believe that God looks at the heart and does not just depend upon the words spoken?

Yes, the heart matters. God gives His elect, chosen before the world began, a new heart to which is given the gift of faith in the finished work of Christ Jesus and the gift of repentance of the dead works they had relied on, falsely thinking that such works could save them.

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Acts 16:14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.

 

[Van]

There is no salvation in a false gospel.

Galatians 1:8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again,
If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

This obscene thread is a "my way or the highway" thread. Only those given a perfect faith, instilled by God, which is the Calvinist view, are saved, all others, believing Calvinism is mistaken, are unsaved.

This thread violates the basic tenets of the forum.

 

[KenH]

This obscene thread is a "my way or the highway" thread.

There is only one true gospel, not many different ones.

Galatians 1:8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again,
If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

 

[Van]

There is only one true gospel, not many different ones.

Galatians 1:8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again,
If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

The issue is not the true gospel, but whether God credits an imperfect understanding of that gospel if it meets His purpose. Your thread says no, which is an obscene, my way or the highway claim.

This thread violates the basic tenets of the forum.

 

[KenH]

The issue is not the true gospel, but whether God credits an imperfect understanding of that gospel if it meets His purpose.

Your whole premise is wrong, Van, as it is the finished work of Christ in meeting ALL of the conditions for the salvation of God's elect, chosen before the world began, Christ's perfect righteousness, that God imputes to His elect.

 

[Van]

Folks, please re-read John Chapter 21. Note how Peter does not love Jesus sacrificially (Greek agapao) but does love Jesus relationally (phileo). Jesus accepts this immature commitment as meeting His purpose.

Calvinism's claims are false, unbiblical, and obscene. They deny Christ died as a ransom for all, they deny Jesus became the means of reconciliation for the whole of humanity, they deny God chose for salvation those who were rich in faith and heirs to the kingdom promised to those who love Him.

 

[Van]

The issue is not the true gospel, but whether God credits an imperfect understanding of that gospel if it meets His purpose. Your thread says no, which is an obscene, my way or the highway claim.

What does Matthew 23:13 say? That people who were in the process of entering the kingdom were prevented from entering by false teaching.
So our belief must be in accord with God's purpose, but not necessarily in accord with every detail of the gospel. But this verse actually shows us more, that we can respond to some of God's revelation, for they were entering, which means they did not need "irresistible grace" to respond, and that false teachings can lead people astray, again showing they were not compelled to believe all the right stuff. This is the truth the Calvinist are desperately trying to hide.

 

[Van]

God desires all people to be saved according to His redemption plan, not Calvinism's compulsion plan. Thus Christ's death was a ransom for all, those to be saved and those never to be saved. Christ became the means of reconciliation for the whole of humanity. Since Christ provided the means of reconciliation according to God's redemption plan, God is not a failure.

False teachers make up falsehoods to disparage others, all the while secretly believing 1 Timothy 2:4-6 does not mean what it says, James 2:5 does not mean what it says, 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 do not mean what they say, and 2 Peter 2:1 does not mean what it says. Basically they want to change the subject to their false charges, and run from their nullification of God's inspired word.

Here is the truth, Everyone believing into Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. Positional sanctification based on God crediting their faith as righteousness is bedrock gospel. God will accept imperfections in the beliefs and commitments of the lost if His purpose is satisfied. Christ uses imperfect people, broken reeds, to carry out His ministry, such as Peter as taught in John Chapter 21.

 

[KenH]

Since Christ provided the means of reconciliation according to God's redemption plan, God is not a failure.

So you don't think that God is desperately trying to save every person, that it is not God's desire to save every person, but that God's desire is only to provide some means, so that if fallen man tries really hard to accomplish, then man can finish the job that Christ Jesus started?

The Bible teaches that God will save every person whom He chose before the world began(His elect) and that Christ Jesus has met ALL of the conditions for their salvation as their Surety, and that at some point, they will come under the preaching of the gospel and the Holy Spirit will regenerate them(James 1:18) and grant them the gift of faith in the finished work of Christ Jesus and the gift of repentance of dead works.

 

[Van]

So you don't think that God is desperately trying to save every person, that it is not God's desire to save every person, but that God's desire is only to provide some means, so that if fallen man tries really hard to accomplish, then man can finish the job that Christ Jesus started?

The Bible teaches that God will save every person whom He chose before the world began(His elect) and that Christ Jesus has met ALL of the conditions for their salvation as their Surety, and that at some point, they will come under the preaching of the gospel and the Holy Spirit will regenerate them(James 1:18) and grant them the gift of faith in the finished work of Christ Jesus and the gift of repentance of dead works.

Yet another vile misrepresentation, just like Satan. Did I say God is desperately trying to save every person? Nope.

I referenced 1 Timothy 2:4-6 which says:

who wants all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.​

For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and mankind, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time. ​

Next, this fount of falsehood indicates I said if a lost person tries really hard, man can finish the job of salvation. But did I say or suggest that? Nope, so another vile misrepresentation, just like Satan in the garden.

Romans 9:16 clearly indicates what man does, either willing to be saved or doing things to be saved, does not contribute to salvation, as salvation depends upon God alone.

Next, this false teacher says only the people chosen before creation will be saved. That is unbiblical and unstudied nonsense. As I have pointed out dozens of times, 1 Peter 2:9-10 preclude any individual from being chosen for salvation before creation, as every saved person called into the kingdom once was not a people for God's own possession, and once had not received mercy. That precludes being chosen for salvation before creation.

Next this unstudied poster of false doctrine regurgitates more mythology, that people are regenerated then given faith. Total fiction. People are regenerated, made alive AFTER they are transferred spiritually into Christ, Ephesians 2:5. And people are chosen for salvation through being transferred, sanctified, into Christ, 2 Thessalonians 2:13.

 

[Silverhair]

So you don't think that God is desperately trying to save every person, that it is not God's desire to save every person, but that God's desire is only to provide some means, so that if fallen man tries really hard to accomplish, then man can finish the job that Christ Jesus started?

The Bible teaches that God will save every person whom He chose before the world began(His elect) and that Christ Jesus has met ALL of the conditions for their salvation as their Surety, and that at some point, they will come under the preaching of the gospel and the Holy Spirit will regenerate them(James 1:18) and grant them the gift of faith in the finished work of Christ Jesus and the gift of repentance of dead works.

God desires that all come to repentance and Christ will draw all to Himself and the Holy Spirit convicts the whole world of their sin. So we see that the whole Godhead is involved in our redemption.

We know that the gospel is the power of God for our salvation and that God is gracious and will save those that freely believe in Him.

As we are told if we will hear the gospel, in other words not reject it as foolishness, and believe that Jesus Christ was raised for our salvation then we will be saved through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Those that reject the only means of salvation will be lost.

The bible says that those that will call on the name of the Lord will be saved. It does not say that some were picked out before the foundation of the world that is just a false philosophy born in pagan teachings.

 

[Reynolds]

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