"Your president may easily become king."

[KenH]

“This Constitution is said to have beautiful features; but when I come to examine these features, sir, they appear to me horribly frightful. Among other deformities, it has an awful squinting; it squints toward monarchy, and does not this raise indignation in the breast of every true American? Your president may easily become king.”

- Patrick Henry, speech to the Virginia ratifying convention, June 5, 1788

 

[kyredneck]

 

[Salty]

and just how would Trump become King?

 

[KenH]

and just how would Trump become King?

It is isn't just about Trump. During the 21st century, the presidency has grabbed more and more power, to the point now where the United States basically has rule by presidential executive order, and a Congress that is basically nowhere to be seen.

A lot of the blame goes to the two major political parties, which are now basically parliamentary-type parties, yet we have not set up a parliamentary system. Under the Constitution, the political parties are not supposed to just acquiesce to a president of their own party.

The framers of the Constitution warned against the dangers of political parties, but they failed to enact safeguards against them. They thought the three branches would always protect their turf against the other two branches, but we now see that idea has finally failed to hold.

 

[kyredneck]

and just how would Trump become King?

...it's not serious, Salty, it's a joke, a meme. IMO, Trump has no designs to become a king, he's a strong leader trying to bring us back from the brink of Socialism and restore basic law and order, and loves, loves, loves, to troll the opposition (which I find hilarious).

 

[kyredneck]

It is isn't just about Trump. During the 21st century, the presidency has grabbed more and more power,

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[KenH]

he's a strong leader trying to bring us back from the brink of Socialism and restore basic law and order

Psalm 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man,
In whom there is no help.

Psalm 118:8-9 It is better to trust in the LORD
Than to put confidence in man.
It is better to trust in the LORD
Than to put confidence in princes.

 

[Ben1445]

It is isn't just about Trump. During the 21st century, the presidency has grabbed more and more power, to the point now where the United States basically has rule by presidential executive order, and a Congress that is basically nowhere to be seen.

A lot of the blame goes to the two major political parties, which are now basically parliamentary-type parties, yet we have not set up a parliamentary system. Under the Constitution, the political parties are not supposed to just acquiesce to a president of their own party.

The framers of the Constitution warned against the dangers of political parties, but they failed to enact safeguards against them. They thought the three branches would always protect their turf against the other two branches, but we now see that idea has finally failed to hold.

I’m more worried about “kings” in the judiciary branch of government. They are about as close to feeling unquestionable and dictatorial as you can get without being king. It is not right and they know what they are doing.
A king with the maximum tenure of 8-10 years? I think your fear of the Presidency turning into a monarchy is unfounded.

 

[KenH]

A king with the maximum tenure of 8-10 years? I think your fear of the Presidency turning into a monarchy is unfounded.

Yesterday, Donald Trump said, "I have the right to do anything I want to do. I'm the president of the United States."

Rather reminiscent of Richard Nixon - "Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal."

 

[Ben1445]

Yesterday, Donald Trump said, "I have the right to do anything I want to do. I'm the president of the United States."

Rather reminiscent of Richard Nixon - "Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal."

Yes, I remember King Nixon. You absolutely have a point there. If you take away the absolute, it is negative to your argument.

 

[KenH]

It is not right and they know what they are doing.

The framers of the Constitution intended that all three branches would fight between themselves for their respective powers, thus, keeping any one branch from obtaining too much power. Currently, we have the executive and judiciary branches fighting between themselves; however, the legislative branch has become pretty much the lapdog to the executive branch.

 

[KenH]

If you take away the absolute, it is negative to your argument.

 

[Ben1445]

The framers of the Constitution intended that all three branches would fight between themselves for their respective powers, thus, keeping any one branch from obtaining too much power. Currently, we have the executive and judiciary branches fighting between themselves; however, the legislative branch has become pretty much the lapdog to the executive branch.

That is clearly why they trumped up charges and tried to impeach the President. I hate it when my little puppy tries to evict me from my own house. The exact definition of a lap dog.

What indoctrination channel is your favorite?

 

[Ben1445]

View attachment 11989

Absolute is the value of a number without being positive or negative.
It was a dad joke that was never more serious.

 

[Ben1445]

Absolute is the value of a number without being positive or negative.
It was a dad joke that was never more serious.

|-9| = 9

 

[Ben1445]

It means Nixon was not like a king in any respect. How that makes you think that Trump is a king is beyond me. Last time I knew, kings don’t just resign.

 

[KenH]

What indoctrination channel is your favorite?

I don't have one. It is rare for me to spend this amount of time discussing politics nowadays. At my age, there is not much time left for me to be politically active anymore, such as when I ran for Congress in 2014 as the Libertarian Party nominee. Also, at my age I would really rather try to spend my remaining time in activities that matter, such as Bible study, and in watching activities that I still enjoy, such as sports, horse racing, and professional wrestling.

I pretty much consider myself retired from politics. When I get into too much political discussion, such as this thread, it starts to feel rather icky.

 

[JonC]

It is isn't just about Trump. During the 21st century, the presidency has grabbed more and more power, to the point now where the United States basically has rule by presidential executive order, and a Congress that is basically nowhere to be seen.

A lot of the blame goes to the two major political parties, which are now basically parliamentary-type parties, yet we have not set up a parliamentary system. Under the Constitution, the political parties are not supposed to just acquiesce to a president of their own party.

The framers of the Constitution warned against the dangers of political parties, but they failed to enact safeguards against them. They thought the three branches would always protect their turf against the other two branches, but we now see that idea has finally failed to hold.

Reading the entire speech, maybe we should also acknowledge that the executive branch no longer meets the description Henry provides. Over time there has become an imbalance more away from the Presidency (not quite the meaninglessness of the UK monarchy, but not the same power it once held).

The power seems to reside, now at least, in the Judiciary. I grant some are trying to shift it back to the Executive branch.

My point is everybody in office seems to want to be king, and there has never truely been a balance of power- only checks.

What's that song? "Everybody Wants to Rule the World".

 

[KenH]

What's that song? "Everybody Wants to Rule the World".

Ah, yes, another activity I still enjoy - listening to music.

 

[Ben1445]

Ah, yes, another activity I still enjoy - listening to music.

I’m afraid by your own admission that you are trying to be king of the world.
Could someone please get out the panic queue card?