Hello Ben,
I am not sure why you are saying this. These message boards are set up for being able to discuss things and agree or disagree. The red flag is when a person declares that they isolate their outlook, to only what they understand. No one has called into question my beliefs. That being said, I do hold a firm view both on scripture and what we should believe. You are welcome to voice your concerns and your disagreements. I also am free to respond and question you. You accusation of some sort of hypocrisy has no basis. Could that be because I have not agreed with you on the few times we interacted? Instead of offering on this topic, you take a shot at me? I am not sure of your issue, could you clarify it?
Clarification coming.
You said:
Some posters make such claims that they are only going by..."what is Written in scripture"
They then claim that all other "men", pastors, professors do not go by What is Written!
What claims have you been making except that other posters are not going by what is written?
Here is how this is posted; The poster claims he is right and others are wrong. Then he makes a statement that Scripture is perfect and inspired, as if other Christians somehow doubt that???
I feel like the discussion works much the same way in the reverse. I think you just don’t realize it because of your “I’m following Scripture,
AND smart people” attitude.
JonC said:
Many test what they believe the Bible teaches against what they believe is taught by the Bible.
Your response:
That is what you seem to do.
Literally saying that another poster doesn’t believe the Bible and instead uses it to prop up what he believes with what you claim it doesn’t say.
Yes...your new interpretations are a red flag.
In other words, you don’t follow Scripture like I do because you have new interpretations that are strange.
That is why the reformation was used by God to set things right.
This is a laughable statement and is akin to saying that we were given the KJV to set right the Greek and Hebrew!!
The Reformation got everything right?
I know enough of church history, but I deal with scripture, not your unreliable musings and rewrites from dubious sources.
Is not this the exact statement that you deride in the OP??
“I follow Scripture, not your unreliable authors”
Like I said, you lack much biblical understanding, despite your boasting about your supposed accomplishments, that are not really verified anywhere.
Another statement of your “better than thou” understanding of Scripture, which I kind of thought the OP was referring to.
I will follow proven men who are faithful to truth, as you lean on your own understanding, like proverbs warns about.
You continue to claim your higher ground and accuse the other poster of leaning on his own understanding and ignored the writers who you just mentioned and have decided are fools because you don’t agree with them.
Here again this poster seems to avoid the topic, in favor of his own speculation. he cannot deal with professor Murray as is quite obvious now. In both threads we see a pattern of avoidance and deflection. That is okay. When people cannot answer the scriptures offered, what can they do?
More belittling of the other poster because they have their own speculations.
They talk about anything else to cover that they cannot deal with the scriptures, even if they claim they follow what is written.
Because they claim it but don’t believe it?
This is what you said. You are upset with people for saying that you don’t believe the Bible and it is exactly what you are doing to them.
For example, this thread is not about Church History. It is not about who I "follow".
It is not about someone's reading list. Lol
It is not about accusations that I have placed my faith in men, lol
It is not about spaceships going to Mars
It is not about what kind of bait to use to catch fish, lol
it is not about anything but "what is written" which this poster does not discuss.
here is the question from the OP.
Some posters make such claims that they are only going by..."what is Written in scripture"
They then claim that all other "men", pastors, professors do not go by What is Written! Only they have a direct understanding of what is written.
They seek to dismiss truth claims and theology as just the words of men. Here is such a quote!
The question is. Is this valid? he can post it, but does it hold up to scrutiny? In other words,
Can we teach the bible teaches a trinity, unless we find a text somewhere that writes that very word, Trinity? Do all sermons preached from Pulpits only be Bible readings? If a God called Pastor or preacher offers to give the sense of scripture, is that valid, or can we only believe what some of these type of posters offer?
What do you say?
I understand that the OP is about how God can use other people and that what God reveals to others is not to be ignored. But there are enough of them who claim God has shown it to them and write opposite of another who claims the same.
What it boils down to is that while you don’t feel like it is right for someone to question your belief in Scripture, you don’t have any problem doing the same thing to others.
There is no Utopia in the Calvinism debate. I have met only a handful of gracious people in this discussion. I don’t claim to be as gracious as I should be. But, the OP mentioned specifically that you should not call into question that other writers/ posters believe the Bible. You have violated your own standard of ethics.
I was pleased with the thread for a little while. I gave allowance for some statements in the first ten posts but at the tenth you went well past your ideal.
Yes, you are a hypocrite in this post.
Questions? I have the post in front of me. I see that you set yourself up to appear to be on the moral high ground when you are not.
I don’t think I have any questions I can expect you to answer.
I do hope we have better discussions in the future.
