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Nobody said anything about babies crying, but I am here to tell you that when a baby stamps right back out of a fit of screaming bloody murder, like they are about to die, and just coo at you and smile real big when you come running and they see they got you attention, THEY WERE LYING.Babies cry because they are completely dependent on their mothers. If you cry out to God in praye
There is only one alternative and that is to see a virgin born, Perfect, Godmanchildbaby. Babies are not God, Holy and Righteous, capable of not Offending in one point of not breaking the Eternal Universal Moral Laws of God, which Mirror His Divine Nature Reflected in His having Always Kept All of the 10 Commandments All of the time.Can you honestly look at a baby and only see an evil person, continually thinking and doing evil, in need of repenting from their wicked rebellious ways?
We are to have the humility as adult saved souls that is characteristic of children. Nothing to do with children being sinless or unaccountable.Luke 18:16
Same.Matt. 18
The children are said to have Angels as Ministering Spirits and as relatively helpless little ones, comparative to adults, we are told to have mercy on them and not act in hatred toward them, and to know the Angels and God are both paying attention and are both big enough to protect them, if need be.Matthew 18:" Take heed that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that in heaven their angels
Same.Mark 9:37
You do err, assuming "the Kingdom of God" are those who are in Heaven, rather than that those saved souls here on the Earth and in assuming "many whom cannot come to faith", when John the Baptist and Jeremiah both knew The Lord from their mother's womb.How is it that children, never specified as any particular group of children, just children, many of whom cannot even come to faith, are in heaven?
Nobody said anything about babies crying, but I am here to tell you that when a baby stamps right back out of a fit of screaming bloody murder, like they are about to die, and just coo at you and smile real big when you come running and they see they got you attention, THEY WERE LYING.
They and we don't become liars when we lie. We lie because we are born liars. And there is not a one of us or them that had to be taught how to lie.
Or how to steal. Or lust, etc.
There is only one alternative and that is to see a virgin born, Perfect, Godmanchildbaby. Babies are not God, Holy and Righteous, capable of not Offending in one point of not breaking the Eternal Universal Moral Laws of God, which Mirror His Divine Nature Reflected in His having Always Kept All of the 10 Commandments All of the time.
We are to have the humility as adult saved souls that is characteristic of children. Nothing to do with children being sinless or unaccountable.
Same.
The children are said to have Angels as Ministering Spirits and as relatively helpless little ones, comparative to adults, we are told to have mercy on them and not act in hatred toward them, and to know the Angels and God are both paying attention and are both big enough to protect them, if need be.
Same.
You do err, assuming "the Kingdom of God" are those who are in Heaven, rather than that those saved souls here on the Earth and in assuming "many whom cannot come to faith", when John the Baptist and Jeremiah both knew The Lord from their mother's womb.
The philosophical ideas in the sin-cursed reasonings of men and woman who are under the curse of the Fall of Adam, with the brain they are using, have just thrown you a bunch of presumptuous non-sense.
You must be born again.
Babies are not born again, unless and until they hear the Gospel and are Granted Repentance and Faith to Trust Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection as having Accomplished Eternal Salvation for them personally, in the New Birth from Above.
If babies were sinlessly innocent and then Granted Repentance they would be Giving Repentance to Repent of being sinlessly innocent and not only is that wrong, but they are not sinlessly innocent except in the imagination of their sinful parents, by Nature, which is why they are sinful by Nature.
Babies do not have the Divine Nature of God.
Ether, people get with the program and preach and speak the Gospel and the Word of God to them, where God Can Use it to Save them, sooner or later, or we're just sinfully dreaming about all that 'innocent' until 'the age of accountability' or about a Common Grace some think is bestowed upon them by baptizing them as infants, etc., etc.
Any baby or mentally challenged soul God saved through the Gospel is up to Him that way and is entirely not up to us by making up self-contradictory errors, regardless of how sentimentally well meaning.
Souls are saved by Spirituality through the Gospel, not sentimentally through the flesh of sinful parents by Nature.
Hey Ken
You're showing how death turns into life, but, if there is innocence in ignorance, then when does innocence turn into guilt? Or do you think that guilt is something we are born with, even before we sin?
Hey KenA.W. Pink on sins of ignorance:
"Under the Levitical economy God required that atonement should be made for sins of ignorance. “If a soul commit a trespass, and sin through ignorance, in the holy things of the Lord; then he shall bring for his trespass unto the Lord a ram without blemish out of the flocks, with thy estimation by shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary, for a trespass offering: And he shall make amends for the harm that he hath done in the holy thing, and shall add the fifth part thereto, and give it unto the priest: and the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering, and it shall be forgiven him” (Leviticus 5:15-16). And again we read, “And if ye have erred, and not observed all these commandments, which the Lord hath spoken unto Moses, even all that the Lord hath commanded you by the hand of Moses, from the day that the Lord commanded Moses, and henceforward among your generations; Then it shall be, if ought be committed by ignorance without the knowledge of the congregation, that all the congregation shall offer one young bullock for a burnt offering, for a sweet savor unto the Lord, with his meat offering, and his drink offering, according to the manner, and one kid of the goats for a sin offering. And the priest shall make an atonement for all the congregation of the children of Israel, and it shall be forgiven them; for it is ignorance: and they shall bring their offering, a sacrifice made by fire unto the Lord, and their sin offering before the Lord, for their ignorance” (Numbers 15:22-25). It is in view of such Scriptures as these that we find David prayed, “Cleanse thou me from secret faults” (Psalm 19:12).
Sin is always sin in the sight of God—whether we are conscious of it or not. Sins of ignorance need atonement just as truly as do conscious sins. God is holy, and He will not lower His standard of righteousness to the level of our ignorance. Ignorance is not innocence. As a matter of fact, ignorance is more culpable now than it was in the days of Moses. We have no excuse for our ignorance. God has clearly and fully revealed His will. The Bible is in our hands, and we cannot plead ignorance of its contents except to condemn our laziness. God has spoken, and by His Word we shall be judged.
And yet the fact remains that we are ignorant of many things, and the fault and blame are ours. And this does not minimize the enormity of our guilt. Sins of ignorance need divine forgiveness, as our Lord’s prayer here plainly shows. Learn then how high is God’s standard, how great is our need, and praise Him for an atonement of infinite sufficiency, which cleanseth from all sin."
- excerpt from A.W. Pink's book, The Seven Sayings of the Saviour on the Cross, in chapter one about Luke 23:34 - Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
I'm sorry but, not really. The verse demonstrates Yehovah's foreknowledge and the following story of these brothers teaches us about the value of repentance and the loss of determined sin.Hey Bill
Doesn't Romans 9:11 have more to do with lineage and blessing as opposed to salvation?
Dave
Hey BillI'm sorry but, not really. The verse demonstrates Yehovah's foreknowledge and the following story of these brothers teaches us about the value of repentance and the loss of determined sin.
May Ruah teach all of us.