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Flaws of Calvinism

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Brightfame52

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Van said:
Denial of verse after verse. Unless Christ provided the means of reconciliation for the whole of Humanity, 1 John 2:2, scripture could not say
Everyone believing into Him. Instead it would say everyone chosen before creation. Not how John 3:16 reads. Calvinism wrecks the gospel.
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There has never in scripture stating that Christ died for all humanity. Thats a false spin put on words like all and world
 
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Brightfame52

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Van said:
Now we are supposed to change the subject from Acts 13:48 and discuss the poster's irrelevant topic? The poster brought up "passive" and now wants someone else to define it for him. Good Grief, this is the best they have to offer...
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No you bought up your examples first to prove your point. of mutual agreement, did you not ? Here is one Matt 28:16

Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

But little did you know that the words " went away" were in the passive voice, so they were being sent, or acted upon when they went. They were under the prearrangement of God, and so they went to the appointed place, even if they had agreed earlier , it was all Gods decree at work
 
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Brightfame52

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Van said:
Now we are supposed to change the subject from Acts 13:48 and discuss the poster's irrelevant topic? The poster brought up "passive" and now wants someone else to define it for him. Good Grief, this is the best they have to offer...
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Furthermore, even in Acts 13:48 the word ordained is in the passive voice, its just spelled with the same middle letters, but i bet you cant show me 1 or 2 translations were ordained is in the middle voice in Acts 13:48 as to say they ordained themselves to eternal life.

Also what was your source for this translation you posted "In Acts 13:48 as many as had accepted the specified way to eternal life believed."
 
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Van

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Brightfame52 said:
No you bought up your examples first to prove your point. of mutual agreement, did you not ? Here is one Matt 28:16

Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

But little did you know that the words " went away" were in the passive voice, so they were being sent, or acted upon when they went. They were under the prearrangement of God, and so they went to the appointed place, even if they had agreed earlier , it was all Gods decree at work
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There are irrelevant passive voice verbs in scripture. Your posts are irrelevant nonsense. Acts 13:48 teaches that although the Jews of verse 46 rejected the gospel, some of the Gentiles accepted the gospel.
 
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Van

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Brightfame52 said:
Furthermore, even in Acts 13:48 the word ordained is in the passive voice, its just spelled with the same middle letters, but i bet you cant show me 1 or 2 translations were ordained is in the middle voice in Acts 13:48 as to say they ordained themselves to eternal life.

Also what was your source for this translation you posted "In Acts 13:48 as many as had accepted the specified way to eternal life believed."
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Yet another denial of the obvious. The voice of "tasso" in Acts 13:48 does not alter the meaning that as many as accepted the Gospel's direction to eternal life believed.
 
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Brightfame52

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Van said:
Yet another denial of the obvious. The voice of "tasso" in Acts 13:48 does not alter the meaning that as many as accepted the Gospel's direction to eternal life believed.
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You have to be ordained or appointed to eternal life to believe. So you have to be one of Christs Sheep to believe
 
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Charlie24

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Brightfame52 said:
You have to be ordained or appointed to eternal life to believe. So you have to be one of Christs Sheep to believe
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The Scripture says, "whosever will let him come and drink of the waters of life freely."

That's an invitation to all of mankind.

Doesn't that mean that anyone who chooses to believe can come?
 
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Zaatar71

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Charlie24 said:
The Scripture says, "whosever will let him come and drink of the waters of life freely."

That's an invitation to all of mankind.

Doesn't that mean that anyone who chooses to believe can come?
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Sure......but no one will, unless God enables them.
Psalm.14:2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
 
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Charlie24

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Zaatar71 said:
Sure......but no one will, unless God enables them.
Psalm.14:2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
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That's strange, God inviting all of mankind to come to Him and then only enables some leaving the rest unable.
 
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cjab

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Zaatar71 said:
Sure......but no one will, unless God enables them.
Psalm.14:2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
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Jesus Christ is the enabler, for "What is impossible with man is possible with God" Luke 18:27, but Jesus doesn't force people into his kingdom. For over and again, he portrays it as an invitation, an invitation that many refuse, per Luke 14:18 etc. You however wrongly pretend the invitation was never made to vast numbers of people. Over and again, Jesus refutes you, e.g. Matt 22:14 etc. Why then does God not enable some to come to God? Just because of their insatiable preference for evil: "the people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil." John 3:19.

"Loving darkness" in the sense of a preference for working iniquity is the one sin that will cause God to prohibit access to the kingdom of God.

I take it that Ps 14 is referring to two different types of people, the apostates, the workers of inquity, and the lost sheep, whose love has grown cold and who have turned away under the influence of the workers of inquity, but who are still regarded as God's people.

It is imperative to properly distinguish the lost sheep from the sheep not of Christ's fold (habitual workers of iniquity) in order to grasp biblical teaching in context.
 
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