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Were the Opinions of Paul inspired by the Holy Spirit Himself then?

JesusFan

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As had many state over the years that when Paul stated this is His opinion, was jsut that, and not inspired, but the truth would be that Paul meant that the Lord Jesus Himself never was asked/answered that question, noyt that he was giving forth now to us just a good guess or His ntural reasoning on the subject and matter
 

Charlie24

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As had many state over the years that when Paul stated this is His opinion, was jsut that, and not inspired, but the truth would be that Paul meant that the Lord Jesus Himself never was asked/answered that question, noyt that he was giving forth now to us just a good guess or His ntural reasoning on the subject and matter

Paul tells the Corinthian Church in 1 Cor. 7:6 "But this I speak by permission and not of commandment."

He is discussing marriage, that's it's good for them if they don't marry but if they can't contain themselves (the sex drive) then marry, for it's better to marry than to burn with passion.

The Holy Spirit leaves it to the conscience of each individual whether they marry or not, and He allows Paul to give the advice not of the Holy Spirit's commandment to Paul, but by permission for Paul to speak of his own experience.

Then in vs 10, Paul leaves the permission given Him by the Spirit and goes back to commandment.

"And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord"

Paul has now gone back to the commandments of the Lord given to him by the Spirit for us.
 

Charlie24

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Paul tells the Corinthian Church in 1 Cor. 7:6 "But this I speak by permission and not of commandment."

He is discussing marriage, that's it's good for them if they don't marry but if they can't contain themselves (the sex drive) then marry, for it's better to marry than to burn with passion.

The Holy Spirit leaves it to the conscience of each individual whether they marry or not, and He allows Paul to give the advice not of the Holy Spirit's commandment to Paul, but by permission for Paul to speak of his own experience.

Then in vs 10, Paul leaves the permission given Him by the Spirit and goes back to commandment.

"And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord"

Paul has now gone back to the commandments of the Lord given to him by the Spirit for us.

The apostle Paul had a relationship with the Lord that we can only imagine.

I would have a much better relationship with Him if Christ had appeared to me and had a conversation with me, if Christ came to me in a dream when I was afraid for my life and told me, don't be afraid, I have many in this city and no harm will come to you, if Christ had come to me on a ship in the ocean with a hurricane and I thought I was going to die, and he tells me in a dream, don't worry I have spared your life and all that are with you. Etc, etc.
 

Charlie24

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The apostle Paul had a relationship with the Lord that we can only imagine.

I would have a much better relationship with Him if Christ had appeared to me and had a conversation with me, if Christ came to me in a dream when I was afraid for my life and told me, don't be afraid, I have many in this city and no harm will come to you, if Christ had come to me on a ship in the ocean with a hurricane and I thought I was going to die, and he tells me in a dream, don't worry I have spared your life and all that are with you. Etc, etc.

The apostle Paul was hand picked by Christ Himself, "a chosen vessel" to take the Gospel of Jesus Christ into Western civilization. No force on earth could stop that.

Now that we have that Gospel we are asked to believe without seeing what the great apostle saw, but yet facing the forces of evil he faced.
 

JesusFan

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Paul tells the Corinthian Church in 1 Cor. 7:6 "But this I speak by permission and not of commandment."

He is discussing marriage, that's it's good for them if they don't marry but if they can't contain themselves (the sex drive) then marry, for it's better to marry than to burn with passion.

The Holy Spirit leaves it to the conscience of each individual whether they marry or not, and He allows Paul to give the advice not of the Holy Spirit's commandment to Paul, but by permission for Paul to speak of his own experience.

Then in vs 10, Paul leaves the permission given Him by the Spirit and goes back to commandment.

"And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord"

Paul has now gone back to the commandments of the Lord given to him by the Spirit for us.
Would say that whatever was penned down from Him was inspired revelations from and by the Holy Spirit unto us
 

Charlie24

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Would say that whatever was penned down from Him was inspired revelations from and by the Holy Spirit unto us

I guess if you consider "I speak by permission and not by commandment" to be inspired then yes, I would agree.

I think it really doesn't matter, the apostle Paul was a man of God above all that we can understand.
 

KenH

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2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
 

JonC

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As had many state over the years that when Paul stated this is His opinion, was jsut that, and not inspired, but the truth would be that Paul meant that the Lord Jesus Himself never was asked/answered that question, noyt that he was giving forth now to us just a good guess or His ntural reasoning on the subject and matter
I believe Paul's opinion was the advice of a godly man relating what he has learned through experience and observation. They should not be dismissed (they are not a command, so they do not have to be followed but they shoukd not be dismissed either).

Are they are inspired like God's words are inspired? No. How do we know? Because Scripture telks us it is Paul's opinion. If those words are inspired as are God's words then Scripture would contain an error as it calls those statements Paul's opinion.
 

KenH

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Are they are inspired like God's words are inspired?

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

So, @JonC, are you saying that 1 Corinthians 7:1-9, or a some portion of it, should not be included in the Bible?

Or, @JonC, are you saying that the Bible contains "all Scripture", but not all of the Bible is Scripture?
 

JonC

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Moderator
2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

So, @JonC, are you saying that 1 Corinthians 7:1-9, or a some portion of it, should not be included in the Bible?

Or, @JonC, are you saying that the Bible contains "all Scripture", but not all of the Bible is Scripture?
Am I saying the verse does not belong in the Bible?? No. I have been saying the opposite.

Am I saying that not all of the Bible is Scripture?? Again, no, I have been saying exactly the opposite.

Am I saying what Paul said is from him and is not a command from God? Yes, because that is what Scripture says.

I am saying the portion of the passage that Scripture claims is from Paul and is not a command from God belongs in the Bible and is Scripture. I am saying that Paul's insight was given to him by God, but not as a command.


Do you believe that God was saying He wished the unmarried remain single, even as He, unless they can't control their desires?
 
When Paul gives a command from God it is inspired.
When Paul gives his opinion (in Scripture) it is inspired.
When Paul differentiates whether he has been commanded by God or whether it is his opinion it is inspired.
"Inspiration" does not simply mean: "A direct statement by God himself".
It has never been understood to mean that. It means those statements preserved in Scripture which God intends us to have and consider authoritative. Some are statements from God himself, some are not.

That God has chosen to preserve letters expressing a chosen apostle's personal opinions and best advice is all designed to teach us. It is all good for doctrine, instruction in righteousness, reproof etc. It is still "inspired" Scripture.

The only thing that would be confusing is if Paul would have tried to sneak in his personal opinion and pass it off as some Divine command. He did not. Inasmuch as I do not consider myself (or basically anybody) to have greater wisdom than Paul, I take his opinion on these matters VERY seriously. I think God intends us to take his opinion VERY seriously. This does not seem a very complicated question to me.
 
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JesusFan

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Am I saying the verse does not belong in the Bible?? No. I have been saying the opposite.

Am I saying that not all of the Bible is Scripture?? Again, no, I have been saying exactly the opposite.

Am I saying what Paul said is from him and is not a command from God? Yes, because that is what Scripture says.

I am saying the portion of the passage that Scripture claims is from Paul and is not a command from God belongs in the Bible and is Scripture. I am saying that Paul's insight was given to him by God, but not as a command.


Do you believe that God was saying He wished the unmarried remain single, even as He, unless they can't control their desires?
Paul would state that he was given his opinion on something, because and due to Jesus had not addressed that before Himself, but even Paul opinions are inspired truth to us truth from God
 

JesusFan

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When Paul gives a command from God it is inspired.
When Paul gives his opinion (in Scripture) it is inspired.
When Paul differentiates whether he has been commanded by God or whether it is his opinion it is inspired.
"Inspiration" does not simply mean: "A direct statement by God himself".
It has never been understood to mean that. It means those statements preserved in Scripture which God intends us to have and consider authoritative. Some are statements from God himself, some are not.

That God has chosen to preserve letters expressing a chosen apostle's personal opinions and best advice is all designed to teach us. It is all good for doctrine, instruction in righteousness, reproof etc. It is still "inspired" Scripture.

The only thing that would be confusing is if Paul would have tried to sneak in his personal opinion and pass it off as some Divine command. He did not. Inasmuch as I do not consider myself (or basically anybody) to have greater wisdom than Paul, I take his opinion on these matters VERY seriously. I think God intends us to take his opinion VERY seriously. This does not seem a very complicated question to me.
When Paul stated it was his opinion, the Holy Spirit intended over that to make sure was actually inspired scriptures
 

JesusFan

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Am I saying the verse does not belong in the Bible?? No. I have been saying the opposite.

Am I saying that not all of the Bible is Scripture?? Again, no, I have been saying exactly the opposite.

Am I saying what Paul said is from him and is not a command from God? Yes, because that is what Scripture says.

I am saying the portion of the passage that Scripture claims is from Paul and is not a command from God belongs in the Bible and is Scripture. I am saying that Paul's insight was given to him by God, but not as a command.


Do you believe that God was saying He wished the unmarried remain single, even as He, unless they can't control their desires?
yes, believe that he was referring to those who had been granted the gift of celibacy from God
 

JonC

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Moderator
When Paul stated it was his opinion, the Holy Spirit intended over that to make sure was actually inspired scriptures
I am not saying Paul lacked inspiration. I am saying that Scripture is correct - that is Paul's advise rather than God's Word.

A Christian can marry even if they are able to control their passions. But Christians can also read Paul's advice and understand that there may be difficulties that arise which could be avoided had they chosen to remain single.

Marriage entails taking on additional responsibilities snd it woukd be easy to prioritize family over God's calling, especially in the active ministry.

His words are inspired, and should ne considered, but they are Paul's advice rather than God commanding Christians not to marry.
 

JesusFan

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I am not saying Paul lacked inspiration. I am saying that Scripture is correct - that is Paul's advise rather than God's Word.

A Christian can marry even if they are able to control their passions. But Christians can also read Paul's advice and understand that there may be difficulties that arise which could be avoided had they chosen to remain single.

Marriage entails taking on additional responsibilities snd it woukd be easy to prioritize family over God's calling, especially in the active ministry.

His words are inspired, and should ne considered, but they are Paul's advice rather than God commanding Christians not to marry.
Pauls opinions and advice were inspired by the Holy Spirit to be seen as "gospel truth"
 

KenH

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Do you believe that God was saying He wished the unmarried remain single, even as He, unless they can't control their desires?

1) Thank you for expounding your viewpoint.

2) No, the Bible teaches that there should be no sexual relations between a man and a woman outside of marriage, and the apostle Paul wrote that if one's sexual drive is too strong for a person to control, then that person should get married so as not to commit fornication.
 

JonC

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1) Thank you for expounding your viewpoint.

2) No, the Bible teaches that there should be no sexual relations between a man and a woman outside of marriage, and the apostle Paul wrote that if one's sexual drive is too strong for a person to control, then that person should get married so as not to commit fornication.
Thanks.

I mean the part of the passage in question where Paul advises those who are single to remain single unless they can't control their passions.

If that is God's command then would it not be a sin to marry if you could control your passions?

Also, why does Scripture specify that was from Paul and not God? Was that just Paul's words that made it into the Bible (he was unaware it was God's words)?
 

KenH

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If that is God's command then would it not be a sin to marry if you could control your passions?

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 7:7 But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.

Paul simply said that an unmarried person has an easier path in being devoted to God than one with family responsibilities, and that it is preferable for that reason, but I don't see where he forbade anyone from getting married, regardless of the strength of their sexual drive.

Jesus dealt with this issue when the issue of divorce was raised by the Pharisees - Matthew 19:10-12 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry. But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
 
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