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The TRUE meaning of biblical Justification
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Eternally Grateful
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the biblical term literally means found in right standing, or found innocent.
It is a judicial term.
We were justified by the redemption found in Christ Jesus..
It is a judicial term.
We were justified by the redemption found in Christ Jesus..
canadyjd
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As with the all words, it has meaning the context in which it is used.
Justification, as Paul uses the word in Romans and EG rightly stated, is used as a legal term of being found not guilty.
James, otoh, uses the word justification to mean “validation”. You are justified (validated) by your works and faith w/o works is dead.
Peace to you
Justification, as Paul uses the word in Romans and EG rightly stated, is used as a legal term of being found not guilty.
James, otoh, uses the word justification to mean “validation”. You are justified (validated) by your works and faith w/o works is dead.
Peace to you
Strawman argument.
I have not seen anybody on this board (I have been here over two decades) who posted that they belueve God will forgive men just if they ask.
So right out of the gate the OP is flawed.
If we want to know how God forgives sins all we have to do is read the Bible as this is something repeated from Genesis to Revelation. You could probably just open your Bible randomly and find it rather quickly.
God (per His Word) forgives sins when the one who is wicked "repents", has "a new heart", "turns from evil", "turns to God", "turns from their evil ways", turns from a "mind set on the flesh" to "a mind set on the Spirit".
God forgiving sins based on this repentance (God "giving man a new heart", putting His Spirit in them", making then "new creations in Christ", "renewing" them, "removing their old heart", "giving them a new spirit") is only a mystery to men "have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof".
It can be a judicial term. But it can also be a covenantal term (being right with a covenant).
In the Old Testament a lot of the cries for justice are presented on a civil rather than judicial context. That is why you read so much of the Hebrews begging for God's judgment. They belueve they are right with the covenant and are seeking the results of this justification.
Personally, I view justification (righteousness) in a covenant sence rather than a judicial sence.
Eternally Grateful
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I will be honest with you bro. I have never heard this in all my years at any church I have went to. and there have been many (I am retired military) Nor can I think of any place in scripture that would have it in this context.
The old tells us what must be done for forgiveness.
Sin offerings
The day of atonement
Civil law is much different than Being qualified to be in Gods family
Civil law is just that, It keeps the civil peace. and imposes a punishment in attempt to keep that peace. and security. The penalty fit the crime.
But again, In Gods area, All sin is punishable by the death penalty. thats why all are dead. thats why we must be made alive
but even in the civil law. Justification is only seen if a person is proven to be innocent of wrongdoing (the crime he or she was charged with) If they paid their debt (the paid the penalty they were judged to pay, in which time they are deemed justified or righteous, as they have paid their debt, or finally, if someone else pays their debt for them (called redemption, which is also seen in a slave state, as slavery was much different then than it is today (slaves would be a persons way to pay a debt to someone they owe)
this in my view would be a mistake.
and would take away from what Jesus did on the cross.. and would in fact open the door to a salvation of works. not of grace.
You cannot remove the judicial aspect from God who is the Just Judge.
John 5:30
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
The Holy Spirit enables a lost sinner to have a regenerated heart and mind unto salvation, gets them saved, but God the Father still has stored up His divine wrath against all of their past sins, so who pays for them? he cannot just say to them , hve freely forgave all of your past sins now ?
That would be a main reason why you reject the doctrine of Pst for the atonement
The soul that sins must die, so either the sinner gets to fulfill that, or Jesus does on their behalf, no other choices here
Someone MUST die, as its either the sinner themselves or some one bearing their sins and due condemnation/Judgement
Eternally Grateful
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Again, The sacrificial system of the law I think proves this
Yes, as shown by when high priest laid his hands upon the animal offerings, as a sign of them not taking the sins of the people, type of the lamb of God to come who take upon himself our very sins, wrath, and judgement from Holy God die to us
(Heb 8:12 KJV) For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Ummmmm......finish that passage.
You have made a serious error in handling Scripture. You extracted a part of a verse and removed it from its context.
The passage is Ezekiel 18. "The soul that sins must die" was specifically stating that sins cannot be passed to others but are inseparable from the one who sins. Then the passage states that if the sinner repents God will forgive him. The conclusion defines repentance as "making yourself a new heart" (which is what God does).
The passage calls into question your theory.
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Dave G
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Biblical justification is God making a person just ( cleansing them of their sins ) in His own eyes, since nothing we can ever do will ever justify ourselves.
It is God who justifies ( Romans 8:33 ).
Since by the Law no man will be justified ( Romans 3:20 ), then that leaves only one other way for any of us to be so...
By the shed blood of His Son on the cross.
It is God who justifies ( Romans 8:33 ).
Since by the Law no man will be justified ( Romans 3:20 ), then that leaves only one other way for any of us to be so...
By the shed blood of His Son on the cross.