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Charlie24

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Brightfame52 said:
Correct they were not saved, so one has to be saved to hear the word of God and believe
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No sir! One has to realize they are a sinner in need of a Savior to be saved.

That's the purpose of spreading the Gospel so they can hear and let the Holy Spirit reach in the heart of man with truth.

But man is a free moral agent, he can reject that calling of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Charlie24

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Charlie24 said:
No sir! One has to realize they are a sinner in need of a Savior to be saved.

That's the purpose of spreading the Gospel so they can hear and let the Holy Spirit reach in the heart of man with truth.

But man is a free moral agent, he can reject that calling of the Holy Spirit.
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It's the conviction of sin that man rejects. Man loves his sin, doesn't want to hear his sins nailed Christ to the Cross.

He doesn't see a need for a Savior.

Some precious few do see they need a Savior, the conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit brings them to their spiritual knees.

Some come laughing and happy, some come in tears, but they come from seeing a need.
 
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Brightfame52

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Charlie24 said:
No sir! One has to realize they are a sinner in need of a Savior to be saved.
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Yes, to be of God is to be saved charlie, and Jesus stated that as the stipulation to hear the words of God Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
 
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Charlie24

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Brightfame52 said:
Yes, to be of God is to be saved charlie, and Jesus stated that as the stipulation to hear the words of God Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
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Paul, the same man who wrote your beloved predestination also said that God desires all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.

Is Paul contradicting himself, or are you totally misunderstanding what predestination really is?
 
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Charlie24

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Charlie24 said:
Paul, the same man who wrote your beloved predestination also said that God desires all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.

Is Paul contradicting himself, or are you totally misunderstanding what predestination really is?
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As long as you deny these many clear verses of Scripture to uphold a theory, you will continue to be rejected by mainstream Christianity.
 
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Brightfame52

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Charlie24 said:
Paul, the same man who wrote your beloved predestination also said that God desires all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.

Is Paul contradicting himself, or are you totally misunderstanding what predestination really is?
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You cannot hear and believe, have Faith unless you are saved or of God
 
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Charlie24

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Brightfame52 said:
That's between you and God buddy
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Yes, we agree on that!

We will all appear before the judgment seat of Christ to answer for what we have done in this life, whether it's good or bad.

This is the judgment of the just in Christ, not for sin, but for our faithfulness and motivation in what we did and didn't do as servants of Christ.
 
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Charlie24

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Brightfame52 said:
But Jesus said a person has to be of God to hear God's word John 8:47 to be of God means to be saved.
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Christ was talking to the religious leaders in John 8:47, the Pharisees, telling them they were not who they claimed to be, they didn't have God in their hearts, they are imposters, how could you believe what I'm saying.

They had their own interests at heart, not God's interest.

Do you understand what I'm saying, BF?
 
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