Justification/ Man-Made Laws

[Charlie24]

Yep, that is exactly what Calvinism teaches, you can't lose your salvation, they own this doctrine.

The Holy Spirit is your down payment on your salvation until the resurrection.

Eph. 1:13-14

"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory."

You are not made a purchased possession of Christ until the resurrection.

You do greatly err, my friend!

@JesusFan

Hopefully this will help you to understand.

God saves man body, soul and spirit.

If man holds to the end his faith in Christ, his body goes to the grave, the soul and spirit go to be with Him by the gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit through faith. The gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit is as Paul said, it is a down payment on your salvation through your faith.

The body is not yet saved, that is yet to come at the resurrection. That is when you are a complete purchased possession of Christ.

As the Scripture says, "we are made partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our conversation (our profession of faith) to the end."

 

[Van]

Yes sir, they most certainly did, they fell from their standing in God's grace.

But Paul was there, and there is always someone there provided by God, to show them their error.

Folks, note the artful avoidance of saying they "lost their salvation" to "fell from their "standing" in God's grace," rather than fell from advocating Christ's gospel of grace.

 

[Charlie24]

Folks, note the artful avoidance of saying they "lost their salvation" to "fell from their "standing" in God's grace," rather than fell from advocating Christ's gospel of grace.

Folks, note that falling from Grace is the loss of salvation. Here's an example.

2 Peter 2:20-22

"For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire."

Some will not accept the possibility of the loss of salvation even though it's starring them in the face.

 

[JesusFan]

@JesusFan

Hopefully this will help you to understand.

God saves man body, soul and spirit.

If man holds to the end his faith in Christ, his body goes to the grave, the soul and spirit go to be with Him by the gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit through faith. The gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit is as Paul said, it is a down payment on your salvation through your faith.

The body is not yet saved, that is yet to come at the resurrection. That is when you are a complete purchased possession of Christ.

As the Scripture says, "we are made partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our conversation (our profession of faith) to the end."

The saved/redeemed person soul/spirit goes right into presence of God at time of Physical death, body into grave, and at second coming event all aspects of ther person reunited and now in an imperishable physically glorified body

 

[JesusFan]

Yep, that is exactly what Calvinism teaches, you can't lose your salvation, they own this doctrine.

The Holy Spirit is your down payment on your salvation until the resurrection.

Eph. 1:13-14

"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory."

You are not made a purchased possession of Christ until the resurrection.

You do greatly err, my friend!

We are right now the children of god, already seated up in high places with Christ, but awaiting the second coming to have the fullness of our inheritance, the glorified physical body ' as Jesus has NEVER lost one of his own

 

[JesusFan]

Folks, note that falling from Grace is the loss of salvation. Here's an example.

2 Peter 2:20-22

"For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire."

Some will not accept the possibility of the loss of salvation even though it's starring them in the face.

Those peo[ple peter described were the same as John stated, who were among us and with us, yet not of us, all were like Judas, never saved

 

[Charlie24]

Those peo[ple peter described were the same as John stated, who were among us and with us, yet not of us, all were like Judas, never saved

Sure they were.

 

[Charlie24]

We are right now the children of god, already seated up in high places with Christ, but awaiting the second coming to have the fullness of our inheritance, the glorified physical body ' as Jesus has NEVER lost one of his own

If you don't hold on to your faith to the end, there will be no glorified body!

 

[JesusFan]

If you don't hold on to your faith to the end, there will be no glorified body!

The Holy Spirit has sealed me for all eternity Himself, not my Faith

 

[JesusFan]

Sure they were.

Judas, who was called a devil and son of perdition was really saved?

 

[Charlie24]

Judas, who was called a devil and son of perdition was really saved?

Before he became that devil, how did he go out with the others soon to be apostles and heal the sick, give the blind sight, and perform all those miracles without being saved at that time?

 

[Van]

There is no support anywhere in scripture for the loss of salvation of those God transfers into Christ. None, Zip, Nada

Those who have been duped by unstudied false teachers often regurgitate the same passages that have been shown as providing no support. They seldom if ever address the rebuttal, but simply repeat the false argument.

Let us consider the passage 2 Peter 2:17-22.

Who are the ones being misled, those who have barely escaped those living in error. This condition does not suggest salvation, but rather of having been taught the truth concerning salvation. But then the false teachers, who have not accepted the true gospel, entangle again those told the truth, with the defilements of the world. And in this state, they are in worse shape because their minds have been closed to the truth. Thus, those misled return to the blackness of darkness, no longer seeking the light.

The hallmark of false teachers is they point to vague phrases, like "barely escaped" and insist the phrase means "saved." But a saved person would have fully escaped by being transferred out of the realm of darkness.

Anytime a person hears and understands the truth, they have escaped that part of the darkness of evil.

 

[Charlie24]

There is no support anywhere in scripture for the loss of salvation of those God transfers into Christ. None, Zip, Nada

Those who have been duped by unstudied false teachers often regurgitate the same passages that have been shown as providing no support. They seldom if ever address the rebuttal, but simply repeat the false argument.

Let us consider the passage 2 Peter 2:17-22.

Who are the ones being misled, those who have barely escaped those living in error. This condition does not suggest salvation, but rather of having been taught the truth concerning salvation. But then the false teachers, who have not accepted the true gospel, entangle again those told the truth, with the defilements of the world. And in this state, they are in worse shape because their minds have been closed to the truth. Thus, those misled return to the blackness of darkness, no longer seeking the light.

The hallmark of false teachers is they point to vague phrases, like "barely escaped" and insist the phrase means "saved." But a saved person would have fully escaped by being transferred out of the realm of darkness.

Anytime a person hears and understands the truth, they have escaped that part of the darkness of evil.

There's not for you if you choose to overlook it.

But that doesn't change the fact it's there!

 

[Van]

There's not for you if you choose to overlook it.

But that doesn't change the fact it's there!

Empty post, but long on "taint so" and Van is a so and so for saying so.

Let us consider the passage 2 Peter 2:17-22.

Who are the ones being misled, those who have barely escaped those living in error. This condition does not suggest salvation, but rather of having been taught the truth concerning salvation. But then the false teachers, who have not accepted the true gospel, entangle again those told the truth, with the defilements of the world. And in this state, they are in worse shape because their minds have been closed to the truth. Thus, those misled return to the blackness of darkness, no longer seeking the light.

The hallmark of false teachers is they point to vague phrases, like "barely escaped" and insist the phrase means "saved." But a saved person would have fully escaped by being transferred out of the realm of darkness.

Loss of Salvation is false doctrine.

 

[Charlie24]

Empty post, but long on "taint so" and Van is a so and so for saying so.

Let us consider the passage 2 Peter 2:17-22.

Who are the ones being misled, those who have barely escaped those living in error. This condition does not suggest salvation, but rather of having been taught the truth concerning salvation. But then the false teachers, who have not accepted the true gospel, entangle again those told the truth, with the defilements of the world. And in this state, they are in worse shape because their minds have been closed to the truth. Thus, those misled return to the blackness of darkness, no longer seeking the light.

The hallmark of false teachers is they point to vague phrases, like "barely escaped" and insist the phrase means "saved." But a saved person would have fully escaped by being transferred out of the realm of darkness.

Loss of Salvation is false doctrine.

Van, you do know there is a resurrection of the just and unjust?

Those in Hell/Lake of Fire, do have immortal bodies and cannot be literally killed as you suggest.

Acts 24:15

"And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust."

 

[Van]

Van, you do know there is a resurrection of the just and unjust?

Those in Hell/Lake of Fire, do have immortal bodies and cannot be literally killed as you suggest.

Acts 24:15

"And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust."

Yet another change of subject nonsense post.

Acts 24:5 has nothing to do with the fact human souls can be killed by God. God can create life, and take life, He can recreate life, resurrection to life, and He can recreate death, the second death in the lake of fire.

Let the lying lips be speechless,
Which speak arrogantly against the righteous
With pride and contempt.

May the foot of pride not come upon me,
And may the hand of the wicked not drive me away.

 

[Charlie24]

Yet another change of subject nonsense post.

Acts 24:5 has nothing to do with the fact human souls can be killed by God. God can create life, and take life, He can recreate life, resurrection to life, and He can recreate death, the second death in the lake of fire.

Let the lying lips be speechless,
Which speak arrogantly against the righteous
With pride and contempt.

May the foot of pride not come upon me,
And may the hand of the wicked not drive me away.

Ok, if you just want to trash talk and not go to Scripture, so be it!

 

[Silverhair]

There is no support anywhere in scripture for the loss of salvation of those God transfers into Christ. None, Zip, Nada

So are these verses not in your bible Van?

Luk 8:13 The seeds on rocky ground are those who hear the word and receive it with joy, but they have no root. They believe for a season, but in the time of testing, they fall away.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly states that in later times some will abandon the faith to follow deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons,

Heb 3:12 See to it, brothers, that none of you has a wicked heart of unbelief that turns away from the living God.

 

[Ben1445]

@JesusFan

Hopefully this will help you to understand.

God saves man body, soul and spirit.

If man holds to the end his faith in Christ, his body goes to the grave, the soul and spirit go to be with Him by the gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit through faith. The gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit is as Paul said, it is a down payment on your salvation through your faith.

The body is not yet saved, that is yet to come at the resurrection. That is when you are a complete purchased possession of Christ.

As the Scripture says, "we are made partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our conversation (our profession of faith) to the end."

So you don’t have the Holy Spirit until you are dead? You lose the Holy Spirit?
None of this is what earnest means.

 

[Charlie24]

So you don’t have the Holy Spirit until you are dead? You lose the Holy Spirit?
None of this is what earnest means.

I don't know what you're talking about "don't have the Holy Spirit until you are dead."

If you understand the 3 phases of sanctification you will understand what I'm saying.

Positional, Progressive, Ultimate. We are saved, we are being saved, we will be saved. If you've ever heard that.