PSA vs. a Bloodless Atonement

[Reformed]

Every so often Todd Friel at Fortis produces a video on a hot button topic that is worth sharing. Penal Substitutionary Atonement (PSA) has always been under attack. The only thing that changes are the public faces doing the attacking. The old tired argument against PSA is that God is not angry and wrathful, ergo He will not punish another on our behalf. Besides not being biblical it is one short trip away from denying eternal punishment. In fact, not really knowing the principles in the new generation that is against PSA, they may already be denying eternal punishment and advocating Universalism. False teaching doesn't come dressed like the boogeyman. It comes in the form of smart, articulate, and even charismatic spokesmen.

 

[Charlie24]

Every so often Todd Friel at Fortis produces a video on a hot button topic that is worth sharing. Penal Substitutionary Atonement (PSA) has always been under attack. The only thing that changes are the public faces doing the attacking. The old tired argument against PSA is that God is not angry and wrathful, ergo He will not punish another on our behalf. Besides not being biblical it is one short trip away from denying eternal punishment. In fact, not really knowing the principles in the new generation that is against PSA, they may already be denying eternal punishment and advocating Universalism. False teaching doesn't come dressed like the boogeyman. It comes in the form of smart, articulate, and even charismatic spokesmen.

It's been my experience in conversation that Covenant Theology and Dispensational Theology both agree on PSA, but with a different look on how they get there. The RCC denies it.

 

[Reformed]

It's been my experience in conversation that Covenant Theology and Dispensational Theology both agree on PSA, but with a different look on how they get there. The RCC denies it.

I don't think Calvinism or non-Calvinism is an issue when it comes to PSA. Both sides agree over PSA and we get there the same way. The object of the Atonement is where we disagree, but that's for another thread

 

[Charlie24]

I don't think Calvinism or non-Calvinism is an issue when it comes to PSA. Both sides agree over PSA and we get there the same way. The object of the Atonement is where we disagree, but that's for another thread

Calvinists and non-Calvinist do not get to PSA through the same view. There are many differences in the framework.

That is probably for another thread.

 

[JesusFan]

Calvinists and non-Calvinist do not get to PSA through the same view. There are many differences in the framework.

That is probably for another thread.

We would agree that the PST is the view of the Atonement that best explains the biblical account from the Apostles

 

[JesusFan]

I don't think Calvinism or non-Calvinism is an issue when it comes to PSA. Both sides agree over PSA and we get there the same way. The object of the Atonement is where we disagree, but that's for another thread

Agreed, as the PST view is what has been the prominent view held by both reformed, and Majority of Baptists