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Total depravity or total inability?

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Charlie24

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Brightfame52 said:
Titus 2:11 is the elect. Paul was writing to them who had the faith of God's Elect

Titus 1:1

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
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God's Elect are the ones who hear the Gospel being convicted of sin and seeing a need for a Savior, and believing, accepting the call.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Its Gods truth, and you are accountable for it
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BF the word of God is God's truth, calvinism came from the 4th century pagan philosophy that augustuine brought into the church.

So since your calvinism disagrees with many things in God's word it can not be God's truth but rather it is just a man-made religion.
 
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Dave...

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“On the other hand, if God's moral judgement differs from ours so that our 'black' may be His 'white', we can mean nothing by calling Him good; for to say 'God is good', while asserting that His goodness is wholly other than ours, is really only to say 'God is we know not what'. And an utterly unknown quality in God cannot give us moral grounds for loving or obeying Him. If He is not (in our sense) 'good' we shall obey, if at all, only through fear - and should be equally ready to obey omnipotent Fiend. The doctrine of Total Depravity - when the consequence is drawn that, since we are totally depraved, our idea of good is worth simply nothing - may thus turn Christianity into a form of devil-worship.​

- The Problem of Pain, pp. 28 - 29” C.S. Lewis​

 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
The all in Jn 12:32 is the elect. Who do you say it is
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You must be reading your calvinist bible BF. There is no mention of "the elect" in Joh 12:32 "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself." NKJV

Joh 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw everyone to Myself.” BSB

Joh 12:32 "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself."

John says "ALL" no qualifier.

You have to read your views into the text BF, in this case "elect", which seems that you do quite often.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
BF the word of God is God's truth, calvinism came from the 4th century pagan philosophy that augustuine brought into the church.

So since your calvinism disagrees with many things in God's word it can not be God's truth but rather it is just a man-made religion.
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Tulip is God's Truth and you are accountable for it.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
You must be reading your calvinist bible BF. There is no mention of "the elect" in Joh 12:32 "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself." NKJV

Joh 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw everyone to Myself.” BSB

Joh 12:32 "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself."

John says "ALL" no qualifier.

You have to read your views into the text BF, in this case "elect", which seems that you do quite often.
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Jn 12 32 is all the elect
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Tulip is God's Truth and you are accountable for it.
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Sorry BF but you have been lied to. TULIP is anti-biblical and anyone that tells you it is God's truth is flat out lying.

I am accountable for being truthful in how I handle the word of God.

You have failed in that BF by your continued denial of His word.
 
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