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Cathode

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I have been a Catholic for years now. I have known many priests. I never have been discouraged from reading the Bible by any Catholic clergy. Just the opposite so I don't buy it. Pure hocum.

There was a member of the BB who stopped posting when I called him out. He claimed every Catholic priest he ever knew told him not to worship Jesus, just Mary. Also pure nonsense. He also claimed he worked for the Catholic Church for years and grew up in the Catholic Church being told to never read the Bible.

I challenge you, ask ANY Catholic priest whether or not you should read the Bible. I already know their answer.

Never had the experience they are describing my whole life.

The Catholic Church didn’t canonise and declare the Bible to then discourage people from reading it.

The Catholic Church is the Biblical Church, it’s the Church the Bible came from in the first place.
 

Cathode

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They compiled a Bible but they didn't write it.

Its the Catholic and Apostolic Church, which means Catholics preserved the writings from the Apostles because the Apostles were Catholic.

There was only one Church from the Apostles, that’s why Apostolic writings could only be preserved by the Catholic Church.

“…to be in honour however with the Catholic Church for the ordering of ecclesiastical discipline…one to the Laodicenes, another to the Alexandrians, both forged in Paul’s name to suit the heresy of Marcion, and several others, which cannot be received into the Catholic Church; for it is not fitting that gall be mixed with honey. The Epistle of Jude no doubt, and the couple bearing the name of John, are accepted by the Catholic Church…But of Arsinous, called also Valentinus, or of Militiades we receive nothing at all.” The fragment of Muratori (A.D. 177).

Catholics were handing down Scriptural writing by Catholic Tradition, the Bible is Catholic tradition.
The Catholic Church gestated and birthed the Written Word of God, the Bible.
 

Cathode

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They compiled a Bible but they didn't write it.

The Catholic Church is Apostolic, which means it comes from the time of the Apostles.
It is the Church of the Apostles, that’s how the Apostles writings were only in the hands of Catholics, preserved by Catholics through massive persecutions, to then be Canonised by Catholics.

The Bible only came to us through the Catholic Church, she carried it in her womb through great persecution and birthed it to the world.
No other Church did this, so I only listen to her interpretation of her Book.
 

Cathode

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Yeah, trust me, I’m Catholic.

“Likewise it has been said: Now indeed we must treat of the divine Scriptures, what the universal Catholic Church accepts and what she ought to shun. The order of the Old Testament begins here: Genesis one book, Exodus one book, Leviticus one book, Numbers one book, Deuteronomy one book, Josue Nave one book, Judges one book, Ruth one book, Kings four books, Paralipomenon two books, Psalms one book, Solomon three books, Proverbs one book, Ecclesiastes one book, Canticle of Canticles one book, likewise Wisdom one book, Ecclesiasticus one book. Likewise the order of the Prophets. Isaias one book, Jeremias one book,with Ginoth, that is, with his lamentations, Ezechiel one book,Daniel one book, Osee one book, Micheas one book, Joel one book, Abdias one book, Jonas one book, Nahum one book, Habacuc one book, Sophonias one book, Aggeus one book, Zacharias one book, Malachias one book. Likewise the order of the histories. Job one book, Tobias one book, Esdras two books, Esther one book, Judith one book, Machabees two books. Likewise the order of the writings of the New and eternal Testament, which only the holy and Catholic Church supports. Of the Gospels, according to Matthew one book, according to Mark one book, according to Luke one book, according to John one book. The Epistles of Paul [the apostle] in number fourteen. To the Romans one, to the Corinthians two, to the Ephesians one, to the Thessalonians two, to the Galatians one, to the Philippians one, to the Colossians one, to Timothy two, to Titus one, to Philemon one, to the Hebrews one. Likewise the Apocalypse of John, one book. And the Acts of the Apostles one book. Likewise the canonical epistles in number seven. Of Peter the Apostle two epistles, of James the Apostle one epistle, of John the Apostle one epistle, of another John, the presbyter, two epistles, of Jude the Zealut, the Apostle one epistle.” Pope Damasus (regn. A.D. 366-384), Decree of the Council of Rome, The Canon of Scripture (A.D. 382).

They compiled a Bible but they didn't write it.

How could the Catholic Church compile the Bible, unless she first preserved the Scriptures from the Apostles ?

The Catholic Church is the Biblical Church.

“ Without the Catholic Church, we would have no Bible “ Professor Peter Flint, Baptist translator of the Dead Sea Scrolls.
 

Martin Marprelate

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Never had the experience they are describing my whole life.

The Catholic Church didn’t canonise and declare the Bible to then discourage people from reading it.

The Catholic Church is the Biblical Church, it’s the Church the Bible came from in the first place.
They didn't just discourage - they actively forbade their people from reading the Bible until, possibly, 1962 and Vatican II.
Have a read of some of this:
The People’s Reformation (1) Setting the Scene and then, more particularly

The Roman Catholic Church was forced into accepting the Bible by the fact that it could no longer persecute those who willingly accepted it. In door-to-door visitation I find that Roman Catholics are generally very ignorant of what the Bible teaches.
 

Cathode

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They didn't just discourage - they actively forbade their people from reading the Bible until, possibly, 1962 and Vatican II.
Have a read of some of this:
The People’s Reformation (1) Setting the Scene and then, more particularly

The Roman Catholic Church was forced into accepting the Bible by the fact that it could no longer persecute those who willingly accepted it. In door-to-door visitation I find that Roman Catholics are generally very ignorant of what the Bible teaches.

Inaccurate, poor and unauthorised translations were banned, and rightly so. The Bible was the Catholic Church’s Book and She guarded it from heretical and inaccurate copies.
 

atpollard

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Catholics Need to Read Their Bibles (from Catholic Answers)​

“The Bible-reading habits of Catholics lag far behind those of Evangelical Protestants. For their part, Evangelicals are usually ignorant of Church history, at least those nearly fifteen centuries before Martin Luther came along. It’s a sad fact of human nature that people tend to pit things against each other that don’t need to be opposed logically (or biblically). It should be both/and, not either/or. Catholics ought to do more Bible reading, and Evangelicals ought to read more Church history. We can learn from each other.”

(more at source)
 

Martin Marprelate

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Inaccurate, poor and unauthorised translations were banned, and rightly so. The Bible was the Catholic Church’s Book and She guarded it from heretical and inaccurate copies.
This is nonsense, as I suspect you know. I just recommend people to read the links in post #127 and to note how many times I quote from Eamonn Duffy, a Roman Catholic historian.
 
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