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Hi. I'm a former Catholic and now non-denominational follower of Christ

Mur

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I thoroughly enjoy being in the presence of Godly people. I'm 59 and was raised Catholic and was a run-of-mill Catholic for my first 50 years. By the grace of God my eyes were opened to the falsehood of the worldly Catholic organization and I rejected it.

I hope to bear good fruit for this community by sharing and I look forward to learning from all of you too.

Thank you for accepting my request to join.
 

Wesley Briggman

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Praise the Holy Spirit for opening your spiritual eyes! Hopefully you been baptised by immersion.

(Rom 6:3 KJV) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
(Rom 6:4 KJV) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

May God bless us as we continue to grow in His love and grace.
 
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Mur

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Praise the Holy Spirit for opening your spiritual eyes! Hopefully you been baptised by immersion.

(Rom 6:3 KJV) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
(Rom 6:4 KJV) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

May God bless us as we continue to grow in His love and grace.

Thank you. I've not been baptized aside from when I was an infant and I don't think that counts. I DO believe that I have been spiritually baptized by the Holy Spirit as he freed me from alcoholism nearly two years ago. I did ask a church pastor (after attending his service) if he would baptize me and he said he would have to talk with the "church elders" and get back to me, but he never did.
 

Silverhair

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Thank you. I've not been baptized aside from when I was an infant and I don't think that counts. I DO believe that I have been spiritually baptized by the Holy Spirit as he freed me from alcoholism nearly two years ago. I did ask a church pastor (after attending his service) if he would baptize me and he said he would have to talk with the "church elders" and get back to me, but he never did.

Find a good Baptist church that teaches the bible not some man-made version. Be like the Berean's and check whether what you are being told aligns the word of God.
 

Martin Marprelate

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Thank you. I've not been baptized aside from when I was an infant and I don't think that counts. I DO believe that I have been spiritually baptized by the Holy Spirit as he freed me from alcoholism nearly two years ago. I did ask a church pastor (after attending his service) if he would baptize me and he said he would have to talk with the "church elders" and get back to me, but he never did.
Welcome, Mur. Matthew 28:18-20 teaches that disciples of the Lord Jesus should be baptized when they become disciples, so you should find a church that will do that for you, though the leaders will want to check first that you understand what you are doing.
 
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Cathode

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Thank you. I've not been baptized aside from when I was an infant and I don't think that counts.

It does count. I have seen the effect on a baby that was baptised, so it’s not just what I read or just what I was told. I saw it, so I know. You don’t need to be re baptised.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Find a good Baptist church that teaches the bible not some man-made version. Be like the Berean's and check whether what you are being told aligns the word of God.
What does the Holy Spirit say about being Baptised in a non Catholic Church. Do you totally understand the RC form of baptism and why they stress it?
 

Silverhair

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What does the Holy Spirit say about being Baptised in a non Catholic Church. Do you totally understand the RC form of baptism and why they stress it?

Baptized in a non-RC church is not for salvation but is a public confession of you r faith in God.

In the RCC it is for salvation.

You can correct me on the RCC if I have that wrong. That is what I was told by friends who were RCC.
 

Cathode

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Find a good Baptist church that teaches the bible not some man-made version. Be like the Berean's and check whether what you are being told aligns the word of God.

Be like the Berean’s and listen to Paul’s Apostolic Oral Tradition and then look at the Scriptures in the light of that.

Don’t be Scripture alone.
 

Cathode

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Which was solely then contemporary to the living Apostles who gave them.

False.

“By the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you.”

Paul’s preaching by the Spirit was passed on to Timothy, which he also guarded and preached.

This is Apostolic Tradition.
 

37818

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False.

“By the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you.”

Paul’s preaching by the Spirit was passed on to Timothy, which he also guarded and preached.

This is Apostolic Tradition.
Not false. You don't even know what that oral teaching was.
 

Cathode

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Not false. You don't even know what that oral teaching was.

Yes I do, it’s the same oral teaching today from an Apostolic Successor.

“In this order, and by this succession, the ecclesiastical tradition from the apostles, and the preaching of the truth, have come down to us. And this is most abundant proof that there is one and the same vivifying faith, which has been preserved in the Church from the Apostles until now, and handed in truth.” Irenaeus, Against Heresies 3,3:3 (inter A.D. 180/199).

“Then I have pointed out the truth, and shown the preaching of the Church, which the prophets proclaimed (as I have already demonstrated), but which Christ brought to perfection, and the apostles have handed down, from which the Church, receiving, and throughout all the world alone preserving them in their integrity, has transmitted them to her sons. Then also-having disposed of all questions which the heretics propose to us, and having explained the doctrine of the apostles, and clearly set forth many of those things which were said and done by the Lord in parables…that they may preserve steadfast the faith which they have received, guarded by the Church in its integrity, in order that they be in no way perverted by those who endeavor to teach them false doctrine…” Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Preface V (inter A.D. 180/199).

Catholics pass on Apostolic interpretation of Scripture, Bible aloners pass on human interpretations of scripture or come up with their own interpretations scripture, it’s all from human founders.

‘But they, safeguarding the true tradition of the blessed teaching, which comes straight from the Apostles Peter, James, John and Paul and transmitted from father to son have come down to us with the help of God to deposit in us those ancestral and apostolic seeds’ Clement of Alexandria, Stromata 1,11 (c. A.D. 205).

“The Church’s preaching has been handed down through an orderly succession from the Apostles and remains in the Church until the present. That alone is to be believed as the truth which in no way departs from ecclesiastical and apostolic tradition.” Origen, First Principles 1,2 (c. A.D. 230).

This makes sense of Paul’s words to Timothy.

“By the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you.”

All Catholics have done is preserve and guard the Apostles same interpretation of Scripture.

Protestants handed the scriptures over to be twisted and torn apart by ravening human opinions and interpretations.

Luther’s revolutionary idea was to separate people from the ancient singular Apostles interpretation of Scripture and tell every plough boy and his dog to interpret the scriptures for themselves.
Tens of thousands of human founded churches later all conflicting on interpretation of scripture is the result. Christianity divided, Scripture nullified, truth forgotten, waters muddied.
 

JesusFan

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It does count. I have seen the effect on a baby that was baptised, so it’s not just what I read or just what I was told. I saw it, so I know. You don’t need to be re baptised.
If he chosses to become a Baptist, that infant baptism was not a legit one, merely got wet
 
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Cathode

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That claim are of false teachings. The sole Apostolic Succession are the written 27 New Testament documents/books.

“By the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you.”

Was Paul talking about the 27 New Testament books to Timothy, was that the deposit entrusted to him ?

No, it didn’t exist. It was the Apostolic preaching, the Spoken Word of God. The Holy Spirit guards the Apostolic Oral Tradition in the Apostolic succession.

Protestants broke from Scriptural teaching when they defied Paul’s teaching in scripture.

“ Hold to the traditions we taught you, either by word of our mouth or letter”

Protestants refuse to obey this in scripture by only referring to scripture and not the word of mouth tradition of the Apostles.

So they neither assent to scripture or Apostolic Tradition.
 

atpollard

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Protestants broke from Scriptural teaching when they defied Paul’s teaching in scripture.
Paul told Timothy to sell indulgences?
That was the straw of corruption that broke the camel's back for Luther and forced him to demand Rome return to Apostolic Teaching.

Which of the ECFs mentioned this practice in their letters?
 

37818

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Was Paul talking about the 27 New Testament books to Timothy, was that the deposit entrusted to him ?
2 Timothy 3:15-16, And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: . . . .
 
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