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Historic Premillennialism and Daniel’s 70 Weeks

Mr. Lunt

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I have a question for all of you Bible prophecy scholars out there. I’ve been trying to wrap my head around historic premillennialism, which is a subset of premillennialism.

Dispensationalism holds that there are the 69 weeks in Daniel, followed by the coming of the Messiah, then a gap, which is the church age. The gap ends with the rapture which triggers Daniel’s 70th week.

I know that generally speaking the historic premillennialists view the church age as foreseen in the Old Testament. Dispensationalists do not. The gap makes sense in this case, if it was not foreseen.

Do historic premillennialists view this passage with a preterist perspective? That the 70 weeks have already been fulfilled? Or is it something similar to the dispensationalist view? I have scoured resources that I have, as well as the Internet and I can’t find it.

I appreciate it.
 

Oseas3

Well-Known Member
I have a question for all of you Bible prophecy scholars out there. I’ve been trying to wrap my head around historic premillennialism, which is a subset of premillennialism.

Dispensationalism holds that there are the 69 weeks in Daniel, followed by the coming of the Messiah, then a gap, which is the church age. The gap ends with the rapture which triggers Daniel’s 70th week.

I know that generally speaking the historic premillennialists view the church age as foreseen in the Old Testament. Dispensationalists do not. The gap makes sense in this case, if it was not foreseen.

Do historic premillennialists view this passage with a preterist perspective? That the 70 weeks have already been fulfilled? Or is it something similar to the dispensationalist view? I have scoured resources that I have, as well as the Internet and I can’t find it.

I appreciate it.
ATTENTION : GOD WILL SEND STRONG DELUSION - BE CAREFUL

Real interpretation through Bible of the last week 70th-Daniel 9:v.27
 

John of Japan

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I have a question for all of you Bible prophecy scholars out there. I’ve been trying to wrap my head around historic premillennialism, which is a subset of premillennialism.

Dispensationalism holds that there are the 69 weeks in Daniel, followed by the coming of the Messiah, then a gap, which is the church age. The gap ends with the rapture which triggers Daniel’s 70th week.

I know that generally speaking the historic premillennialists view the church age as foreseen in the Old Testament. Dispensationalists do not. The gap makes sense in this case, if it was not foreseen.

Do historic premillennialists view this passage with a preterist perspective? That the 70 weeks have already been fulfilled? Or is it something similar to the dispensationalist view? I have scoured resources that I have, as well as the Internet and I can’t find it.

I appreciate it.
Perhaps I can post more later, but here is the basic answer. Historic premillennialism was the doctrine of the early church until Augustine, almost without exception, and that is why it is called that. In modern times it is applied to non-dispensational premil folk such as my grandfather was, but he did apply the 70 weeks, etc., like dispensational premil.
 

Oseas3

Well-Known Member
Revelation 16:13-15

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon->(dragon? Revelation 13:11 and 2Thessalonians 2:3-4 and Revelation 12:9 ), and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. -> ( why frogs? ) -> THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS - WHY FROGS?

14 For they are the spirits of devils,
working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
JESUS warned:
15 Behold, I come as a thief. -> (Be prepared por else get ready)
Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.->
(Genesis 3:8-12, remembering that we are at the turn from the sixth to the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium).
 

Alan Dale Gross

Active Member
Do historic premillennialists view this passage with a preterist perspective? That the 70 weeks have already been fulfilled? Or is it something similar to the dispensationalist view?
I can't take the 'pre' or 'post' millennialist positions seriously, since there is no reference they can produce where Jesus is said to Reign on Earth for a Thousand-years/ a 'millennium', and with having no Biblical basis, they want to claim some belief that is obviously just imagined by the weakness of man's reasoning that has experienced the curse of the Fall.

"Preterism" is worse, however, and considered heresy in most quarters from what I understand, since Jesus' Coming that is depicted in Matthew 24:27; "For as the lightning cometh out of the East, and shineth even unto the West; so shall also the Coming of the Son of man be" is discribing the Coming of Jesus Christ in Providencial Judgement against the Jews, by the Roman Army, as God used them to deviour and desimate the Jewish Economy of Worship, in the distruction of Jerusalem in A.D.70, as we see in the next verse, 28; "For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together," where the "carcase" is the Jews suffwring the Desolation of Abomination spoken of by Daniel and the "eagles" are the Roman Army.

The rashness with which what Jesus is talking about there somehow automatically equates His Words about His "Coming" to try and mean His "Second Coming" is just shortsightedness, particularly if one were to suppose that saying Jesus' Second Coming has already taken place was in any way rational (which is why "Preterism" is considered heresy).


I have scoured resources that I have, as well as the Internet and I can’t find it.
Here's a fine publication as you'll ever want to see on its subject matter, "The Bible and the Future", by Anthony A. Hoekema. Great to have it available free online; https://cdn.bookey.app/files/pdf/book/en/the-bible-and-the-future.pdf

Dean Davies' book, "The High King of Heaven", is very, very good, also. He is very brotherly in his comparisons among the various End Times positions; chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/davis/The%20High%20King%20of%20Heaven%20-%20Dean%20Davis.pdf

Philip Mauro, The Hope of Israel [1929], is a Classic, along with his, "The Seventy Weeks and the Great Tribulation" - A Study of the Last Two Visions of Daniel, and of the Olivet Discourse of the Lord Jesus Christ, which gets down to detail about the subject, as does another Classic, by William Hendriksen, "More than Conquerors" - An Interpretation of the Book of Revelation".

These all treat Revelation 20:4, as speaking of Jesus' Current Spiritual Reign from Heaven, being what it is, His Reign from Heaven, Spiritually, now.



Genesis 3:8-12, remembering that we are at the turn from the sixth to the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium
Genesis 3:1; "Thus the Heavens and the Earth were Finished, and all the host of them.

2; "And on the seventh day God ended His Work which He had Made; and He Rested on the seventh day from all His Work which He had Made."

So, if by some odd gyrations a person thought each Day of Creation had anything to do with different Eras in the future(?), then now that, as you say, "we are at the turn from the sixth to the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium", that has to mean that you believe God is currently in a thousand-year-long State of Rest?

Fascinating.

Then, if you compare Scripture with Scripture and see where the Days in Genesis were each stated like in Genesis 1:4b; "God Divided the light from the darkness" & 5; "And God Called the light Day, and the darkness He Called Night" with each day consisting of "the Evening and the Morning", which for example was on "the First Day...", then if there was any reason to deviate from that formula of a 'Day' = 24-hours, it's not to be found in the Bible.

Right?
 
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