Traditional Baptist Beliefs

[Van]

Picture this, every person on the planet is spiritually dead, unable to obey the commands of God (just like those in the OT times, under the Law were unable to obey the Law God had commanded and thus be saved)

God, in His mercy, according to the kind intention of His will, chose specific individuals to be put in a right relationship with Himself. He chose them specifically, He predestined them, He called them, He regenerated them making them able to believe, He imparted faith in them, He gave His Spirit to guide them in the truth about their sin and need for a Savior found only in Jesus, and when they responded to what He had done in their lives with faith in Jesus, God Holy Spirit indwelt them as the mark of Salvation.

Everything I just said is COMPLETELY supported by scripture.

Everything you said is supported by a man made philosophy that demands God act according to what men believe to be “fair”.

I’ll follow scripture, whether you and the rest understand it or not.

I cannot be swayed by the arguments of men. Only by scripture, rightly understood in context.

Peace to you

Yet another blast proclaiming sheer nonsense. They never address that people were actually entering the kingdom, but then were prevented from going in. Obviously lost people are able to seek God. Next the idiotic claim if you a person is unable to keep the whole law, they are unable to try.

Lastly the absurd claim God chose specific individuals before they were created, so they were always a people chosen for His own possession. Never mind 1 Peter 2:9-10.

On and on they ignore God's word and proclaim perversion.

 

[Van]

Only in Vanology theology would God be compared to a jailer and sinners declared to be treated unjustly…

I KID YOU NOT!

Peace to you

LOL, now they do not even recognize born anew believers as being "kept" as if in a jail cell." No study, no growth.

 

[canadyjd]

LOL, now they do not even recognize born anew believers as being "kept" as if in a jail cell." No study, no growth.

LOL, now they don’t even recognize the point…. They claim God is treating sinners unfairly. Not even realizing Romans 9 applies directly to their argument. No ability to comprehend spiritual Truth. No ability to grow in knowledge.

No serious study with an open mind to the truth of God’s Word. Simply blinded by hatred of the Truth of doctrines of Grace, and a poor understanding of how to use a biblical language lexicon.

Peace to you

 

[Van]

LOL, now they don’t even recognize the point…. They claim God is treating sinners unfairly. Not even realizing Romans 9 applies directly to their argument. No ability to comprehend spiritual Truth. No ability to grow in knowledge.

No serious study with an open mind to the truth of God’s Word. Simply blinded by hatred of the Truth of doctrines of Grace, and a poor understanding of how to use a biblical language lexicon.

Peace to you

Please stop using the monkey wrench of false teachers to unleash absurdity upon the thread.

No comprehension of how the Greek word translated "kept" is used to describe confinement
in Jail.

Then of course the usual avalanche of against the person fallacious argumentation. Par for the course.

Here is the simple truth, which this poster seeks to hide, Traditional Baptist beliefs are totally inconsistent with Calvinism and its doctrines of Limited Atonement, Soul Incompetency, and Unconditional Election.

 

[JesusFan]

Please stop using the monkey wrench of false teachers to unleash absurdity upon the thread.

No comprehension of how the Greek word translated "kept" is used to describe confinement
in Jail.

Then of course the usual avalanche of against the person fallacious argumentation. Par for the course.

Here is the simple truth, which this poster seeks to hide, Traditional Baptist beliefs are totally inconsistent with Calvinism and its doctrines of Limited Atonement, Soul Incompetency, and Unconditional Election.

The Particular Baptist views were THE Baptist views van for quite awhile

 

[Silverhair]

The Particular Baptist views were THE Baptist views van for quite awhile

General Baptists were around prior to to split to form the particular baptists.

 

[JesusFan]

General Baptists were around prior to to split to form the particular baptists.

Particular Baptist though go way back to time of the Confessions of the Faith

 

[Silverhair]

Particular Baptist though go way back to time of the Confessions of the Faith

Well we know that they were first established around 1609 by John Smyth.

If you are referring to the apostles confessions of the faith then you should be saying the general baptists go way back to that time.

Scripture does not support your particular view.

 

[Van]

The Particular Baptist views were THE Baptist views van for quite awhile

Actually the first Particular Baptist church was established in 1638, by John Spilsbury, see Post #2!

And the first Traditional Baptist church was established in 1609 in the Netherlands, and the first Baptist church established on English speaking soil in 1611. See Post #1.

Thus the "Particular Baptist views were not "THE Baptist views" ever. They were always an offshoot of the Traditional Baptists.

 

[Van]

God chooses to credit as righteousness the faith some believers, demonstrating Soul Competency.

If the lost, the "dead in their sins," those that are unable to understand "the things of the Spirit" suffer from "Soul Incompetency" or "Total Spiritual Inability" then why does God credit their faith as righteousness.

If we consider those whose faith has "saved them" we must conclude their faith was deemed satisfactory for God's purpose. We know, from the story about Soil #2 in Matthew 13, that faith without "root" is unsatisfactory. The "root" refers to commitment, and therefore we must be deeply committed to Christ such that we are willing to suffer adversity, rather than abandon Christ.

And we know from Soil #3 in Matthew 13, our devotion to Christ must override our devotion to all of our other treasures. The rich young ruler could not turn loose of his worldly treasure. Soil #3 could not set aside his worldly concerns, probably his devotion to his worldly treasures, whether relationships, or things providing comfort or security. Our commitment to Christ must override all other things. We are to love and honor our parents, but our devotion to Christ must be our overriding priority, Luke 14:26.

 

[JesusFan]

Actually the first Particular Baptist church was established in 1638, by John Spilsbury, see Post #2!

And the first Traditional Baptist church was established in 1609 in the Netherlands, and the first Baptist church established on English speaking soil in 1611. See Post #1.

Thus the "Particular Baptist views were not "THE Baptist views" ever. They were always an offshoot of the Traditional Baptists.

The actual theology pf us who hold to a Reformed salvation viewpoint though would go straight back to the Apostles Themselves

 

[canadyjd]

God saves people. People do not save themselves.

If God grants salvation based on what a person does, that is a works based salvation. Every other religion on the planet is works based.

If God grants salvation to those He has chosen, (and that is biblical truth), according to His will and purpose, so moving upon that person in the power of God Holy Spirit that they are convicted of their sin and need for a Savior, are drawn and guided by Holy Spirit to Jesus Christ, and then RESPOND to God’s intervention in their lives with faith in our Lord Jesus….. receiving God Holy Spirit as the mark of God upon them…

Then you you a Grace based salvation.

Your focus is what man does and the secular philosophy of what seems “fair” according to man’s standards.

My focus is upon the biblical reality of what God does.

Peace to you

 

[Silverhair]

If God grants salvation based on what a person does, that is a works based salvation.

Then you need to get a better bible as yours seems to be missing some critical information.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Rom 4:4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

Salvation is based on what a person does. If they believe then God will be gracious and save them if they do not believe then they will not be saved.
That is why the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

 

[canadyjd]

Then you need to get a better bible as yours seems to be missing some critical information.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Rom 4:4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

Salvation is based on what a person does. If they believe then God will be gracious and save them if they do not believe then they will not be saved.
That is why the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

I don’t need a lecture in understanding the Bible from someone that believes many are saved having never heard the gospel.

Your ignorance of scripture is breathtaking.

Peace to you

 

[Silverhair]

I don’t need a lecture in understanding the Bible from someone that believes many are saved having never heard the gospel.

Your ignorance of scripture is breathtaking.

Peace to you

Well it would seem that you do as you do miss quite a bit of what the bible has said.

Perhaps you should read Heb 11 and the OT then you just might have your eyes opened to the truth. But I am sure you will continue to limit God to only being able to do as your false calvinist theology says He can do.

So to quote you, "Your ignorance of scripture is breathtaking."

Here is a quote for you

"Often I’m in class and sometimes it’s just random, I get asked this question: “Dr. Cara, how are people saved in the Old Testament? They were the people of God. How were they saved?” And the Reformed answer, and most Bible-believing Christian answers is they were saved by faith—they were saved the same way: by faith, faith in God, and more specifically, as they understood God, not not as well as the New Testament does, but understood in some kind of divine Messiah. From their perspective, that’s faith in God and looking toward some divine Messiah. Now, the merit of their salvation? Exactly the same: the work of Christ. The work of Christ, his life, death, and we look back in faith to that. They looked forward in faith, even though they didn’t understand it as well." Dr. Robert Cara

How were people saved in the Old Testament? | Reformed Theological Seminary

Believers in the Old Testament were saved by a Savior who was the same yesterday, today, and forever.

rts.edu

 

[Van]

The actual theology pf us who hold to a Reformed salvation viewpoint though would go straight back to the Apostles Themselves

Since the Calvinist viewpoint misconstrues the writings of the NT, it can be traced back to the inventions of Augustine and the dark ages. Apostle Paul, God desires all people to be saved, whereas Augustine, God desires all KINDS OF people to be saved. This rewrite was necessary to support the fiction that Christ did not lay down His life as a ransom for all, but only for all KINDS OF PEOPLE CHOSEN INDIVIDUALLY BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF T HE WORLD. When man-made doctrine does not fit with scripture, they just rewrite scripture, rather than accepting scripture as the final authority.

That is about as far as you can get from Traditional Baptists.