How Error Spreads...Do Not Listen To Men Teachers Even If They Are God Given

[Zaatar71]

It does not matter to me how everybody else sees it.

I would think that how others see it does indeed matter.How we conduct ourselvesis meant to be an example to others.
Paul said in Phil3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample., and
again in 2cor3:
2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:

3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
Wow, look at that, I was able to answer without borrowing from the books of men,lol

You claim my belief is wrong but you have not been able to find anything wrong in my belief

We all have seen your repeated errors. and we all offered help. You made it clear you do not want help, so what can we do?

The only criticism you offered was that it was only what God has given us in His Word and you ridiculed me for speaking of God as clothing us in righteousness and Christ in our iniquity.

No, you again are imagining things we never actually posted, but these are things that in your mind, you think we might have meant

Other than that you merely offer insults.

No, those are observations and answers to your condescending posts. Ask those who run the board if what I and others are saying to you is true.

Even here you only insult in an attempt to avoid offering an account of how you get from God's words to your understanding.

No, that again is another diversion ant tactic you use to avoid the issues at hand. I would again suggest you ask martin and some of the others if what I see is also what they see.

It seems you can't, but instead simply believed the conclusions of Calvinists without grasping how those conclusions came into being.

I deal directly from scripture when I respond. When I recall other gifted persons who have said it clearer and in a more helpful way, I post such links and usually you cannot answer them, and quickly seek to divert or dismiss those links.

Here is just one question any Calvinist can answer, bit those merely desiring to be a Calvinist cannot as they do not actually understand Calvinism (which is why I chose this question . . . I knew you had no clue):

Another insult, you cannot help yourself! Like I said . take a poll. ask others, if I am a calvinist, or give Calvinistivc answers,lol Sh, ben, Van,charlie, and others do not struggle with that question

If on judgment day God has made us new creations conformed to the image of Christ, we have died to sin and are perfected in Him, in whom there is no condemnation, and God judges us as righteous BUT God never punished the sins of the "old man" who no longer exists, what would be the issue?

Examine yourself my friend.

 

[JonC]

I would think that how others see it does indeed matter.How we conduct ourselvesis meant to be an example to others.
Paul said in Phil3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample., and
again in 2cor3:
2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:

3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
Wow, look at that, I was able to answer without borrowing from the books of men,lol

We all have seen your repeated errors. and we all offered help. You made it clear you do not want help, so what can we do?

No, you again are imagining things we never actually posted, but these are things that in your mind, you think we might have meant

No, those are observations and answers to your condescending posts. Ask those who run the board if what I and others are saying to you is true.

No, that again is another diversion ant tactic you use to avoid the issues at hand. I would again suggest you ask martin and some of the others if what I see is also what they see.

I deal directly from scripture when I respond. When I recall other gifted persons who have said it clearer and in a more helpful way, I post such links and usually you cannot answer them, and quickly seek to divert or dismiss those links.

Another insult, you cannot help yourself! Like I said . take a poll. ask others, if I am a calvinist, or give Calvinistivc answers,lol Sh, ben, Van,charlie, and others do not struggle with that question

Examine yourself my friend.

I do not matter in this conversation. You did not find any fault in my stated belief. And if my belief is wrong it still has nothing to do with your understanding.

1. You told is what you understand the Bible to teach.
2. What you understand the Bible to teach is different from the biblical text.
3. I have been asking you repeatedly to simply explain how you get from the biblical text to your conclusion.

That is a very fait question. Given we are to test doctrine against the biblical text it is a necessary question.

EVERY MEMBER OF THIS FORUM should evaluate what men say is taught by the bible with the biblical text and ask how any differences were developed. How else will they know the validity of a position?

But EVERY time you are simply asked to explain how you got from God's words to your conclusions you are dumbfounded and start throwing insults.


If on judgment day God has made us new creations conformed to the image of Christ, we have died to sin and are perfected in Him, in whom there is no condemnation, and God judges us as righteous BUT God never punished the sins of the "old man" who no longer exists, what would be the issue?

 

[Zaatar71]

I do not matter in this conversation. You did not find any fault in my stated belief.

Sure, we all did.

And if my belief is wrong it still has nothing to do with your understanding.

okay, I agree with this

1. You told is what you understand the Bible to teach.

we each do that

2. What you understand the Bible to teach is different from the biblical text.

no, it is based on the text.

3. I have been asking you repeatedly to simply explain how you get from the biblical text to your conclusion.

i have done so. Others know what I say, and comment on it.

That is a very fait question. Given we are to test doctrine against the biblical text it is a necessary question.

Any doctrine I derive is from the biblical text.

EVERY MEMBER OF THIS FORUM should evaluate what men say is taught by the bible with the biblical text and ask how any differences were developed.

Most do that.

How else will they know the validity of a position?

Calvinists know and agree with each other on what the texts say. Anti Cals, not so much

But EVERY time you are simply asked to explain how you got from God's words to your conclusions you are dumbfounded and start throwing insults.

No, just observing what you do, your unseemly conduct, and respond as best as I can

If on judgment day God has made us new creations conformed to the image of Christ, we have died to sin and are perfected in Him, in whom there is no condemnation, and God judges us as righteous BUT God never punished the sins of the "old man" who no longer exists, what would be the issue?

Those sins were Punished when Jesus died a covenant death for the elect. The elect are co-crucified with Christ.

 

[JonC]

Sure, we all did.

okay, I agree with this

we each do that

no, it is based on the text.

i have done so. Others know what I say, and comment on it.

Any doctrine I derive is from the biblical text.

Most do that.

Calvinists know and agree with each other on what the texts say. Anti Cals, not so much

No, just observing what you do, your unseemly conduct, and respond as best as I can

Those sins were Punished when Jesus died a covenant death for the elect. The elect are co-crucified with Christ.

No, not everybody evaluates what men say is taught by the bible with the biblical text and asks how any differences were developed. Many just believe the teachers of their sect are "God given" and test against confessions they agree with.

And no, you have not posted any fault with my belief except that it was too close to Scripture.

You did not answer the question. I was asking about how you got from God's words to your conclusions (not what your conclusions were).

My other question you simply avoided by, again, merely stating your conclusions. The reason for this question is it is central to Calvinism. You can find the answer in the works of John Calvin and Theodore Beza (if you want to cheat). But I ask because every Calvinist knows that one (if they understand Calvinism...those just believing some Calvinist conclusions don't as they don't understand the actual theology).

Funny thing is, it is a simple answer you probably heard a thousand times before in another form from actial Calvinists (if you ever listened to a Calvinist preacher on the Atonement).


If on judgment day God has made us new creations conformed to the image of Christ, we have died to sin and are perfected in Him, in whom there is no condemnation, and God judges us as righteous BUT God never punished the sins of the "old man" who no longer exists, what would be the issue?