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Imputed Righteousness
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Silverhair
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Well that is one thing in your favor.
Yes God loves all those that have freely trusted in Him and are thus elect.
You do realize that Paul is quoting from Mal 1:2-3
Three things to note re this verse:
one this is National not personal
two it deals with service not salvation
three it deals with preference not despite
So you say your a Sovereign Grace Baptist but that means you hold to the DoG/TULIP which is calvinism through and through.
Doctrines of Grace.
The Canons of Dort (1618-1619)
- Man is depraved, and has no ability to contribute to his own salvation, or merit the merits of Christ.
- Election is unconditional depending only on the sovereign choice of God.
- The atonement is limited to the elect. A definite redemption was made.
- God’s grace is irresistible.
- The saints will persevere in the faith, being kept by the power of God. Their salvation is certain.
sovereigngracebaptistchurch.net/what-we-believe
So we see that it all comes back to the same point, see point 2 above, your flawed view makes God responsible for all those that deny Him.
Go tell that to someone who doesn't know any better!
Heb. 6:4-6
"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."
Silverhair
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If one is justified then they are saved Ken. Are you making the claim you were saved B4 creation?
Ken you have no way of knowing if your faith is real. It could be just to make your time in hell worse.
This is from the same web site as B4
We also adopt as a fuller expression of our faith the Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689. This document is a larger statement generalizing the things believed among us. We accept this confession not as an authoritative rule or code of faith, whereby we are bound in conscience, but as an assistance to us in controversy, a confirmation in faith, and a means of edification in righteousness. Here the members of Sovereign Grace Baptist Church will have a larger statement of faith and by means of focal texts may be ready to give a reason for the hope that is in them. Although the Confession of 1689 is a general summary and statement of our faith, it is in no way intended to bind the conscience of anyone, wherin all the thoughts are not regimentally adhered to.
KenH
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Yes, I do.
Romans 8:16
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God.
KenH
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I have never heard of that church you are referencing. Apparently, it is somewhere in the state of New York.
Again, I don't follow the WCF nor the LBCF.
When I say that I am a Sovereign Grace Baptist, I am referring to what is preached at Grace Baptist Church of Ruston, Louisiana, as well at Eager Avenue Grace Church of Albany, Georgia, and Sovereign Grace Baptist Church of Jacksonville, North Carolina, and Gospel of Grace Ministries of Okeana, Ohio. All four of those pastors I have met and heard in person preach the gospel of the finished work of Christ.
KenH
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No one of those whom God chose before the world began as one of His elect will be lost for eternity. They may get themselves into a whole heap of spiritual trouble on this earth, but God will keep them, as Jude wrote in Jude 1:24-25.
But I can see since you apparently do not believe that salvation is 100% of God and 0% of man, and you have a false understanding in that you think a person contributes to their salvation to some degree and in some form, that you would also think that man can lose salvation.
That's the kind of false teaching I grew up with in the Church of Christ.
Brightfame52
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That's works then
I guess when you have nothing else you can say the response will be I'm working for my salvation.
Brightfame52
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Who said anything about Paul teaching a work salvation?
I'm following Paul's instructions for salvation, and you insist it's works.
He is the only author of Scripture that explains salvation and tells exactly what it is and what to do.
Well I understand your post as not believing we become the righteousness of God in Him. You deny that when God credits our faith as righteousness, which occurs before He transfers us spiritually into Christ, and then, only after we are "in Him," do we become the righteousness of God through the washing of regeneration.
KenH
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There is nothing "to do". Jesus Christ did it ALL. Saving faith and repentance from dead works are fruits of regeneration, not the cause of regeneration.
Silverhair
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Is your faith based on you freely trusting in God for your salvation or were you regenerated so that you could believe?
I just say your answer to @Charlie24 so it is not actually your faith but one that you think was given to you. That is calvinism 101.
So your sovereign grace is just another name for calvinism.
KenH
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Aspects of salvation are all throughout the Holy Scriptures, from Genesis through Revelation. The whole Bible is ALL about Jesus Christ and the saving of His sheep by His finished work on their behalf.
KenH
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No one can have saving faith nor repentance from dead works without the Holy Spirit regenerating them first. They are fruits of regeneration, not the cause of regeneration.
Silverhair
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But you do follow calvinist philosophy. Your own posts show that Ken.
1. Luke 13:24 demonstrates man, in his depraved fallen state, has the ability to seek God without the compulsion or enablement of irresistible grace.
2. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 teaches we are chosen for salvation through faith in the truth, thus our individual election is conditional.
3. 1 Timothy 2:6 teaches Christ died for all people, even those never to be saved. 2 Peter 2:1
4. Luke 13:24 and Matthew 23:13 demonstrate the lost are able to seek and to find, yet can still be prevented from entering the kingdom. Thus God's grace of invitation is not irresistible.
5. Yes, 1 Peter 1:3-5 teaches we are kept by the power of God, so once saved, always saved.
KenH
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I follow the teachings of the Bible. Label it as you wish. Makes no difference in my status with God.