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Imputed Righteousness is False Doctrine
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Dave G
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I'm not sure how you missed this in your studies, Van, but I see the Scripture saying differently:
" But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 [saying], Blessed [are] they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed [is] the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin." ( Romans 4:5-8 ).
" Yea doubtless, and I count all things [but] loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them [but] dung, that I may win Christ,
9 and be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: " ( Philippians 3:8-9 )
" knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, [is] therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. " ( Galatians 2:16-20 ).
According to the above, whose faith does the believer have?
I see that it is the faith of Jesus Christ.
What are they justified by?
I see that it is by the faith of Jesus Christ.
Where does that righteousness come from?
It is "of" ( by or from ) God by faith.
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Dave G
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What do you see when you read these things?
Apparently something markedly different than I do.
Van, God's word tells us not only where the believer's faith comes from, but whose righteousness they actually possess...
Jesus Christ's, who was made righteousness to us:
" But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:" ( 1 Corinthians 1:30 ).
To emphasize this further:
" And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;
10 that ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ;
11 being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God." ( Philippians 1:9-11 ).
I see here that the fruits of true righteousness are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God and are imputed to all of His people.
My friend, please go back and read where faith comes from, who has it, and why they have it.
The Scriptures tell us, in many places, the answers to those questions.
May God bless you sir.
Apparently something markedly different than I do.
Van, God's word tells us not only where the believer's faith comes from, but whose righteousness they actually possess...
Jesus Christ's, who was made righteousness to us:
" But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:" ( 1 Corinthians 1:30 ).
To emphasize this further:
" And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;
10 that ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ;
11 being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God." ( Philippians 1:9-11 ).
I see here that the fruits of true righteousness are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God and are imputed to all of His people.
My friend, please go back and read where faith comes from, who has it, and why they have it.
The Scriptures tell us, in many places, the answers to those questions.
May God bless you sir.
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Did you see why Christ had to suffer and die?
Did you see the man-made malarkey of "time travel theology?"
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Did you see why the OT Saints had to wait in Abraham's bosom to be made perfect until AFTER Christ died?
Unbelievable isnt it?
Yet another mindless post, claiming what is proven to be false doctrine by scripture is actually taught. But note no actual reference.
I have shown none of the OT saints were made the righteousness of God, until after Christ died. Thus they were not imputed with the Righteousness of God. Their sins were temporarily covered, robed in righteousness, but not removed, because that action required the suffering and death of Christ.
None of those verses support the fiction.
Counting or crediting a person's FAITH as righteousness does bestow the righteousness of God to him or her.
Not counting a person's sin's against them did not make the OT saints PERFECT.
Next you cite a poor translation of Philippians 3:9, "...but that which is through the faithfulness of Christ, the righteousness which has its origin from God on the basis of credited faith."
Next you cite a poor translation of Galatians 2:16, "yet we know that no one is justified by the works of the law but by the faithfulness of Jesus Christ. And we have come to believe in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by the faithfulness of Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
Yet another against the person fallacy post. This is all they have, folks, fallacy and fiction. Of course I do not know, but it appears none of the posting Calvinists even know how to study to show themselves approved.
Sadly, no Calvinist believes scripture, Calvinism has made the truth of scripture unbelievable to their closed minds.
Not one of them has even acknowledged we are made the righteousness of God in Him. Or that Christ had to suffer and die in order to remove our sin burden, what God held against us, nailing it to the cross so to speak. Not one.
Let us number the false claims embedded in this post!
1) Which verse says our sins were imputed to Christ? None! How does scripture say our sins are removed. Does the washing of regeneration, or the circumcision of Christ or nailing to the cross, or carried away in His body ring a bell?
2) Did Christ pay the specific sin debt for specific individuals, or did He die as a ransom for all? He became the means of reconciliation for the whole of humanity. Anyone transferred into Him will have all of their sins, past, present, and future removed. He died once for "all" not once for some.
3) Which verse says Christ did not die for all, but only for the elect. Recall 2 Peter 2:1 which says Christ bought those heading for swift destruction.
4) God is not bound by time, but He can work within time if He chooses, thus the OT saints had to wait to be made perfect.
5) What verse teaches "time travel theology?" None, it is a fiction to nullify scripture after scripture.
KenH
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This one:
2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Yes. Christ paid the specific sin for His sheep only, not the goats. Sheep don't evolve into goats; goats don't evolve into sheep.
John 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
This one:
John 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Of course God works within time. God created EVERYTHING, including time.
No, the saints before the cross didn't have to wait in some holding cell for thousands of years for anything in the way of being justified by the righteousness of Christ. Justification is an immanent act of God, an action within Himself, and not based on time.
None. God is eternal and knows everything and is the cause of all things throughout all eternity, inclusive of the limited time element in which humans live. Not an atom has ever moved or will ever move in all of God's creation except at His direction and for His purposes and for His glory.
It is a false teaching that some proclaim in which they say that God looked down some "telescope of time" and then reacted to His creation and made decisions based on what He saw. God is not a gypsy gazing at a crystal ball, which is the essence what such people teach, people who rail against their almighty sovereign Creator.
KenH
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Christ suffered and died for God's elect because God's elect are born as children of Adam, just as those God reprobated are, and were corrupted by Adam's sin in the Garden of Eden.
God is eternal and knows everything and is the cause of all things throughout all eternity, inclusive of the limited time element in which humans live. Not an atom has ever moved or will ever move in all of God's creation except at His direction and for His purposes and for His glory.
It is a false teaching that some proclaim in which they say that God looked down some "telescope of time" and then reacted to His creation and made decisions based on what He saw. God is not a gypsy gazing at a crystal ball, which is the essence what such people teach, people who rail against their almighty sovereign Creator.
The saints before the cross didn't have to wait in some holding cell for thousands of years for anything in the way of being justified by the righteousness of Christ. Justification is an immanent act of God, an action within Himself, and not based on time.
Dave G
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I'm not a "Calvinist" Van, I'm a Christian.
Past that, I do indeed acknowledge that Christ was made sin for us that we might become ( come to be ) the righteousness of God...
And we do so "in Christ" ( 2 Corinthians 5:21 ), and only "in Christ".
As for the "poor translation" that you allege, I've quoted from the time-tested and time-honored AV ( commonly called the "KJV" ).
While I'm sorry that it seems as if you personally feel that it is a poor translation, it is the one that my English-speaking forefathers in the faith used for much of the past 400 years; and it is the one that I'm firmly convinced is far superior in both accuracy and in its choice of source texts to most that are available today.
That said, I wish you well as always;
And again, may God bless you sir.
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2 Corinthians 5:21 says we were made the righteousness of God in Him. So yet another false claim, obvious to everybody.
There are no goats, predestined to eternal punishment, but only the lost heading for destruction. The lost, when they physically die are separated from His sheep, those saved, as goats are separated. So yet another false claim.
The Sheep are fallen humanity, and Christ laid down His life as a ransom for fall.
Yes the OT saints had to wait to be made perfect, Hebrews 11:39-40. So yet another false claim, obvious to everyone.
Last one, individuals are justified by the washing of regeneration, and then arise in Christ a new creation, holy and blameless and justified.
1) If the lost can be made the righteousness of God by imputation, your are saying Christ did not need to die.
2) Exhaustive determination is false doctrine as scripture says things happen by chance.
3) No one mentioned the "telescope of time." So yet another false claim, a diversion to change the subject from imputation.
4) God makes conditional covenants, if we do this, He will do that. If we repent, He will relent. So the claim God is not faithful to His promised action is yet another false claim of biblically illiterate.
It is pointless to even discuss the error in translation, because all you can offer is denial. Did you explain why the NKJV is different? Nope.
Did you explain how Christ as a made sinner was just? Nope.
As I said, it is pointless, as you make no effort to describe the basis for your untenable views.
Please pardon my misunderstanding.
It appears that you have said that Christ was made a sinner. It sounds like you mean that when Christ was made in the likeness of men that He became a created sinner. Literally born a sinner is the way it sounds. Sorry if I haven’t followed you very well.
Could you please clarify this last statement for me. Please use different words because if you send me the same statement, I will read it the same way.
KenH
Well-Known Member
Correct. Christ's perfect righteousness as the Surety of God's elect was imputed to them. Likewise, all of the sins of God's elect were imputed to Christ and He paid all of their sin debt.
The Bible says there are.
Romans 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Nope.
Those before the cross had the gospel preached to them just as those after the cross.
Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them.
Hebrews 4:6 They to whom it was first preached.
(emphasis mine)
Everyone who is saved is imputed with the righteousness of Christ.
David lived before the cross.
Psalm 32:2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity.
Lot lived before the cross.
2 Peter 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds).
Abraham lived before the Christ.
John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
"and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: by Abraham's bosom is meant heaven, a phrase well known to the Jews, by which they commonly expressed the happiness of the future state: of Abraham's happy state they had no doubt; and when they spake of the happiness of another's, they sometimes signified it by going to Abraham."
- excerpt from John Gill's commentary on Luke 16:22
"God having provided some better thing for us,.... Not a better state of the church, in such respect, as to be free from suffering reproach and persecutions; for this is the case of saints under the New Testament as under the Old; nor the felicity of the soul after death; nor any greater degree of happiness in the other world; nor the perfection of blessedness in soul and body; things common to all believers; but Christ, as now exhibited in the flesh: Jesus Christ was the same in the yesterday of the Old Testament, as he is in the present day of the Gospel dispensation; he was slain from the foundation of the world; and the saints then were saved as now, by his grace and righteousness: only with this difference between them and us; they had Christ in the promise, we have him himself that was promised; they had him in type and shadow, we have him in reality and truth; they believed in, and were saved by Christ, who was to come; we believe in him, and are saved by him, as being come. Hence our case is, with respect to these circumstances, better than theirs; we have a better covenant, or a better administration of the covenant of grace; we have a better priesthood, and a better sacrifice; the Gospel is dispensed in a better manner, more dearly and fully: our condition is better than theirs; they were as children under tutors and governors, and were under a spirit of bondage; but we are redeemed from under the law, and are clear of its burdensome rites, as well as of its curse and condemnation; and have the spirit of liberty and adoption. And this God has provided for us in his council and covenant: for this denotes God's determination, designation, and appointment of Christ, to be the propitiatory sacrifice for sin; and has respect to the nature and circumstances of his death, which were fixed in the purposes of God; as well as the time of his coming into the world, and the season of his death; and in all this God has shown his great goodness, his amazing love, and the riches of his grace: and his end herein is,
that they without us should not be made perfect; the Old Testament saints are perfectly justified, perfectly sanctified, and perfectly glorified."
- excerpt from John Gill's commentary on Hebrews 11:40.