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Why? or Why Not?

Ben1445

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The whole issue is men know they need rescued but seek out an easy believism faith because an Atonement that is more than resolving their punishment demands something of them.
Galatians 3:3
Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
 

Ben1445

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The "why not?" is simple.

God describes justice in His Word. And in this description we read that it is equally an abomination to God to clear the wicked and to convict the just. Yet Penal Substitution Theory claims that God cleared the wicked by convicting the Just.
Well since you are a sinner, you have no hope of salvation because it would be an unjust abomination for Jesus to clear your account of your guilt.
 

Ben1445

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An atonement is an appeasement. It assumes that there is an offense, an offender, an offended party, and a moral obligation for a correction to be made to the end of restitution.
The offense is sin.
The offender is mankind.
The offended is God.
The moral obligation is wrapped up in the being of God Himself. It is His law written in our hearts. It is clearly defined in Scripture.
A correction is not merely a cancellation. Principles of bookkeeping are not isolated to the tracking of finances. Finances are tracked using basic principles of moral law. Restoration/correction must be made from somewhere. It costs something.
If the cash drawer comes up short at the end of the day, someone must make a correction to bring restitution to the accounts. It generally is the person responsible for the drawer. Occasionally without recognizing the example that they are, the store owner will take the damage upon himself.
Essentially God has taken the damage upon Himself when Jesus made an appeasement. Jesus took our shortcomings onto Himself.
 

KenH

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God does not clear the guilty. (Numbers 14:18)

All of Adam's race is guilty. If someone is guilty, then they suffer punishment. Christ took the guilt of God's elect upon Himself by imputation, took all their punishment upon Himself, and paid their total sin debt. Likewise, Christ's perfect righteousness as the Surety and Redeemer of God's elect was placed upon them by imputation.
 

Ben1445

Well-Known Member
God does not clear the guilty. (Numbers 14:18)

All of Adam's race is guilty. If someone is guilty, then they suffer punishment. Christ took the guilt of God's elect upon Himself by imputation, took all their punishment upon Himself, and paid their total sin debt. Likewise, Christ's perfect righteousness as the Surety and Redeemer of God's elect was placed upon them by imputation.
Salvation was promised to the entire human population of the world in the garden.
Christ answers for the sins of the whole world in his atonement for mankind.
The only thing between men and God is our unbelief. Jesus answered the sin problem. The reason Jesus Christ does not do mighty works in every man is because of their unbelief.
It is written, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved.
 

Ben1445

Well-Known Member
No. (Romans 9:11-24)



No. Christ died for His sheep. (John 10:15)
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

I didn’t say that He will save the world without any qualifiers. Only that salvation is available to all and that God will recompense each person according to their relationship with Him.
 
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