Did he say he understands Christ was just when He sacrificed His life, that He was NOT "made to be a sinner" was just "treated as a sinner" and the "made to be a sinner" translation is in error? I had wished for more "edification" but no...
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Imputed Righteousness is False Doctrine
- Thread starter Van
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Still no answer. This thread should discuss scripture, and not diversion into petty topics.
We were not NOT made the Righteousness of God by imputation. Everyone should agree with this, as that truth is plainly taught in scripture.
We become the righteousness of God in Him, so we must be spiritually transferred out of the realm of darkness into Christ in order to become the righteousness of God. That is not imputation, that is the washing of regeneration, also called the circumcision of Christ, also called taking what God has against us by nailing it to the cross.
So what is imputation as used in Scripture.
I think that you are splitting hairs over what amounts to no difference. By definitions, I don’t see any difference.
If you don’t like the letters arranged to make the word impute, don’t use them that way. But it is a biblical term. It can fit into your vocabulary if you will give it any opportunity.
I view this sort of argument you are making as equivalent to saying that Jesus was from Bethlehem and could not have been from out of Egypt or from Nazareth. We know He was all of those because they are not mutually exclusive.
If you could explain why washing and imputing are mutually exclusive, it would help me know where you are coming from.
I like to think I am drawing distinctions to convey truth.
Imputation is the same as saying something is so. I can say some truth is so, and I you say something that I believe is true, then I can say or credit or declare your statement is true. Thus you have been imputed with a true statement. Abraham's faith was imputed to him as righteousness, or in other words he was declared to have righteous faith.
Same with Jesus saying "Your faith has saved you." Or to present the timeline, because I credited your faith as righteousness, you will be irrevocably saved. Note, this did not make the person fully righteous, as he or she had not yet been washed with His blood.
Sir, just because something does not make sense to you, does not mean it is not the truth of scripture. No one gets to the Father by imputation, but only by the blood of the Lamb. You can take that to the bank.
Imputed righteousness is God’s truth, as with Abraham, even so with me.
Romans 4.
I need no other argument,
I need no other plea,
It is enough that Jesus died
And that He died for me.
| 1 ¶ What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? |
| 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. |
| 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. |
| 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. |
| 5 ¶ But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. |
| 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, |
| 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. |
| 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. |
I need no other argument,
I need no other plea,
It is enough that Jesus died
And that He died for me.
KenH
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Do you suppose KenH really does not know the difference between our faith being credited as righteousness, and becoming the righteousness of God in Him?
Does anyone really believe we could be made the righteousness of God without the washing of regeneration, without our spiritual rebirth, without the circumcision of Christ, without removing what God held against us by taken it out of the way by nailing it to the cross?
All those who suggest we are made the righteousness of God by imputation are denying the need for Christ to suffer and die.
But false prophets also appeared among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
KenH
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Even the most mature of God's elect have imperfect faith. Therefore, imperfect faith does not meet the standard of the perfect righteousness of Christ that He worked out as the Surety for God's elect.
Something imperfect cannot be imputed(charged, credited) as a means of being able to stand before God and be saved.
As the old hymn says,
When He shall come with trumpet sound,
O may I then in Him be found:
dressed in His righteousness alone,
faultless to stand before the throne.
LOL, now this Calvinist claims God is not powerful enough to have mercy upon the wretched sinners of His choice when He credits their imperfect faith as righteousness. I kid you not.
KenH
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One must have be clothed with the perfect righteousness of the Son of God to be saved. The ONLY way to be clothed in that way is by having the perfect righteousness of Christ imputed to him.
If one does not have the perfect righteousness of Christ imputed to him, then God will not accept Him on the Day of Judgment.
Habakkuk 1:13
Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity.
Ever notice that false teachers never acknowledge truth, but simply ignore truth and change the subject to yet another falsehood?
Here is what I said:
LOL, now this Calvinist claims God is not powerful enough to have mercy upon the wretched sinners of His choice when He credits their imperfect faith as righteousness. I kid you not.
Did this poster acknowledge God IS powerful enough to credit our imperfect faith as righteousness? Nope.
Instead, he attempts to misrepresent an OT citation as supporting his NT fiction. I kid you not...
The issue is not that we must become the righteousness of God, the issue is how this is accomplished. We become the righteousness of God by the washing of regeneration. 1 John 1:17
KenH
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God does not accept anything less than perfection. To offer imperfect faith to God is like offering polluted bread or a blind animal or a lame animal or a sick animal to God.
Malachi 1:6-8
And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?
Ye offer polluted bread upon mine altar; and ye say, Wherein have we polluted thee? In that ye say, The table of the LORD is contemptible.
And if ye offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? and if ye offer the lame and sick, is it not evil? offer it now unto thy governor; will he be pleased with thee, or accept thy person? saith the LORD of hosts.
LOL, I believe God accepted me, and I am NOT perfection...
1) So in order to defend false doctrine, this poster once again denies God can have mercy upon whom He has mercy.
2) God accepted Peter whose love was not yet agape, but only phileo.
3) We were not the perfect sacrifice, Christ was!!!
On an on, these posters offer ignorance or deceit, in a pathetic effort to defend obviously false doctrine.
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