SOME WILL FALL AWAY FROM THE FAITH

[37818]

Joh 10:28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand.

Your view does not fit the text 37.

No one snatch them but it does not mean that the person cannot walk away. People can turn away from the faith they had and repudiate God.

We cannot agree. Those who perish their name has not been sealed in the book of life. Revelation 3:5, . . . and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, . . .
Revelation 20:15, And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Silverhair]

We cannot agree. Those who perish their name has not been sealed in the book of life. Revelation 3:5, . . . and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, . . .
Revelation 20:15, And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Notice that God says He will not blot out their names but that does not stop an individual from removing their name by repudiating Him.

 

[37818]

I believe in eternal security as long as our faith is present.

Even the backslider has not lost his salvation, that's the purpose of God's chastisement, to bring them back.

It's when His correction is ignored and faith fades that man is in danger.

Eventually, and only God knows, that faith that saved him is no longer present.

See my post #41.
Revelation 20:15, And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[37818]

Notice that God says He will not blot out their names but that does not stop an individual from removing their name by repudiating Him.

It doesn't work that way.
Revelation 20:15, And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
That "will not," is a "not in any way."
How does a name stay in the book?
When names are being remove?

 

[37818]

The effective rule is a name to be kept in the book of life is to never be removed. Otherwise all names will be removed!

1 John 5:5, Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
Revelation 3:5, He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, . . .

. . . will not . . . . Is an in no way!

 

[Charlie24]

We cannot agree. Those who perish their name has not been sealed in the book of life. Revelation 3:5, . . . and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, . . .
Revelation 20:15, And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

And Christ said in vs 19 whoever takes away from the words of the Book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the Book of life.

Proving mans name can be removed from the Book of Life.

 

[Silverhair]

It doesn't work that way.
Revelation 20:15, And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
That "will not," is a "not in any way."
How does a name stay in the book?
When names are being remove?

I agree 37, those whose names are not in the book will be in the lake of fire.

The name stays in the book unless they choose to remove it by later rejecting God.

Do you think God would make people go to heaven that did not want to be there?

 

[Charlie24]

The effective rule is a name to be kept in the book of life is to never be removed. Otherwise all names will be removed!

1 John 5:5, Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
Revelation 3:5, He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, . . .

. . . will not . . . . Is an in no way!

What does it mean to overcome?

It means to hold on with faith to the end. That's what will keep your name in the Book.

 

[Silverhair]

The effective rule is a name to be kept in the book of life is to never be removed. Otherwise all names will be removed!

1 John 5:5, Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
Revelation 3:5, He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, . . .

. . . will not . . . . Is an in no way!

Why would all names have to be removed 37?

God will not blot out their names but there is nothing that says the person cannot remove their name through rejecting God.

You are reading into the text something that is not there.

 

[Charlie24]

What does it mean to overcome?

It means to hold on with faith to the end. That's what will keep your name in the Book.

@37818

Why do you think Christ said this?

Rev. 3:10-11

"Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown."

 

[37818]

And Christ said in vs 19 whoever takes away from the words of the Book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the Book of life.

Proving mans name can be removed from the Book of Life.

The Greek two word phrase meaning not in any way occurs in some 84 verses.
It is normal for names to be removed from the book.

 

[37818]

What does it mean to overcome?

It means to hold on with faith to the end. That's what will keep your name in the Book.

No. 1 John 5:4, . . . born of God overcometh . . . .

 

[Charlie24]

The Greek two word phrase meaning not in any way occurs in some 84 verses.
It is normal for names to be removed from the book.

If that's the way you see it, then ok.

No need to go on with this.

 

[37818]

Why would all names have to be removed 37?

Romans 6:23, For the wages of sin is death; . . . .
Romans 3:23, For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; . . . .

 

[37818]

@37818

Why do you think Christ said this?

Rev. 3:10-11

"Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown."

Wasn't to us. But to "the angel of the church in Philadelphia."

 

[Charlie24]

Romans 6:23, For the wages of sin is death; . . . .
Romans 3:23, For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; . . .

Just wondering for future reference, are you one that believes all names are written in the Book and at the beginning?

 

[Charlie24]

Wasn't to us. But to "the angel of the church in Philadelphia."

I'm a Dispensationalist, I believe each of the 7 letters were written to the Church in periods of time throughout history.

For example, the letter written to the Church at Philadelphia was the Missionary Church that had its beginnings in the 1800"s and still continues today.

 

[37818]

Just wondering for future reference, are you one that believes all names are written in the Book and at the beginning?

Yes, because of 1 John 2:2, And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

And Ephesians 1:4, According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: . . .
That choosing is before any one's election.

 

[Charlie24]

Yes, because of 1 John 2:2, And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

And Ephesians 1:4, According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: . . .
That choosing is before any one's election.

Ok, I was thinking that's what it was. It's been a while since I've met that belief.

I won't argue though, it will only be bitter, I don't want that.

 

[Silverhair]

Romans 6:23, For the wages of sin is death; . . . .
Romans 3:23, For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; . . . .

Your logic is flawed 37.

Those that have trusted in Him have their names in the book of life so those verses do not support your contention that all names would have to be removed.

Once their names are in the book God will not blot them out but that person can remove their name if they later repudiate the faith they had. That is what we are told by the Holy Spirit in 1Ti 4:1

"The Ephesian church had been warned already about the coming of false doctrines (Act_20:29-30). Throughout Paul’s letters, the Spirit speaks “in stated words” (expressly) that the church will see apostasy, a falling away from the true faith (see 2Th_2:1-17). The word “depart” in the Gk. gives us our English word “apostasy.” He points out too the cause for the apostasy — not the “growing intelligence of scholars” but the satanic influence of demons so that professed believers deny the basic doctrines of the Bible." WIERSBE’S EXPOSITORY OUTLINES