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Thoughts on Justification

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percho

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Brightfame52 said:
Okay, so would you say the whole world of 1 Jn 2:2 is forgiven ?
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And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

I would say that statement stands on it's own just as does the following.

For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

I think I will leave it up to God.
 
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Brightfame52

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percho said:
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

I would say that statement stands on it's own just as does the following.

For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

I think I will leave it up to God.
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You sound wavery on that. My answer is yes, the whole world of 1 Jn 2:2 is forgiven through Christ
 
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1 John 5:19, And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

1 John 2:2, And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
His death did not it is His life that does.
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More Blasphemy its Both they're inseparable. His Death saved from the penalty of sin and His Life from the power of sin. The Gospel is one whole unit. And you dont believe His Life saves anyway, thats a front. Are all those saved He died and rose again for ? Hes alive, so every sinner He died for and was raised for, according to you has been saved.
 
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37818

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Silverhair said:
His death did not it is His life that does.

As Paul said if Christ was not raised then you are still in your sins.

I have shown you that a number of times and yet you still will not believe it.
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Romans 8:8-10, But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
 
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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
More Blasphemy its Both they're inseparable. His Death saved from the penalty of sin and His Life from the power of sin. The Gospel is one whole unit. And you dont believe His Life saves anyway, thats a front. Are all those saved He died and rose again for ? Hes alive, so every sinner He died for and was raised for, according to you has been saved.
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The blasphemy is when you continue to ignore the resurrection. His resurrection is the reason that we can be saved. As Paul said "if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins."

So like it or not BF, His death was the propitiation for the sins of all mankind but His resurrection is why we can be saved. No resurrection no salvation.

The gospel is one unit BF as I have pointed out to you numerous times but you stop at the cross and ignore the resurrection.

You do not even understand that salvation is through faith in the risen Christ. Those that will be saved are those that freely trust in Him. So no not everyone He died for will be saved.

Will admit that your comment that I "don't believe His Life saves anyway," is rather odd considering what I have posted but I have come to expect such from you.

If you could get past your calvinism and actually believe what the bible says then you would not have so many false beliefs.
 
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37818 said:
Romans 8:9-10, Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
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These are the words that BF just cannot seem to grasp.

"For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life." Rom_5:10
 
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Silverhair said:
The blasphemy is when you continue to ignore the resurrection. His resurrection is the reason that we can be saved. As Paul said "if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins."

So like it or not BF, His death was the propitiation for the sins of all mankind but His resurrection is why we can be saved. No resurrection no salvation.

The gospel is one unit BF as I have pointed out to you numerous times but you stop at the cross and ignore the resurrection.

You do not even understand that salvation is through faith in the risen Christ. Those that will be saved are those that freely trust in Him. So no not everyone He died for will be saved.

Will admit that your comment that I "don't believe His Life saves anyway," is rather odd considering what I have posted but I have come to expect such from you.

If you could get past your calvinism and actually believe what the bible says then you would not have so many false beliefs.
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All whom Jesus died for shall be saved
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
The blasphemy is when you continue to ignore the resurrection.
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Now lies. I just posted the elect are saved by both, the Death and Resurrection of Christ. I told you plenty of times b4 that the elect are born again by the resurrection of Christ according to 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to · his great mercy gave us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, Mounce

So you blaspheme Christ and bear false witness against a poster, you are very dishonest sir
 
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