What Day Did Christ Die?

[37818]

The only question I have is; what scripture(s) isn't allowing you to see a Wednesday Crucifixion?

Mark 14:12. Is one.

Luke 24:20-21. Is another.

 

[37818]

I don't know but it seems to me 37818 is not understanding the Passover week as it effects Scripture, but it could be me also.

It is a matter, how we are understanding this differently.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

We all have our views, you and I can see clearly a Wed. crucifixion but that's not the case with everyone.

I apologize if it all seemed like an argument, or a war! That is upsetting. Sorry.

This is the table of contents of a place that goes about every detail you could ever think was there.

Here's these if you have any interest in skimming though some of them, like these:

• 1. No Sunday
• 2. A Sabbath
• 3. No Friday
• 4. Intermediate Day
• 5. Three Days and Three Nights.

Peace and Love!!!

 

[percho]

Impossible. Because the 14th was per Mark 14:12, . . . the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, . . . Before Mark 14:17, And in the evening he cometh with the twelve.

I will begin by saying, I know no Greek, but let me ask;
Mark 14:12 From Westcott & Hort GNT - Literal Translation - And unto-the-one unto-most-before unto-a-day of-the-ones of-un-leavened, which-also to-the-one to-a-Pascha they-were-surging,

And unto the first day of unleavened which also to the passover they sacrificed, they were saying

The passover is the 14th the feast is the 15th Lev 23. The day the passover is killed is toward the first day of unleavened bread

Scripture 4 all also reads the same way.

And to the first day of the unleavened when the passover they sacrificed, are saying to him

τῇ πρώτῃ ἡμέρᾳ the first day all dative tense. Should the dative be understood as, to, unto or toward.

One other point also; Is not the passover always a preparation day for the high day sabbath of the 15th day of holy convocation. Would they not have also been cleaning out all leaven from their dwelling place?

 

[37818]

I will begin by saying, I know no Greek, but let me ask;
Mark 14:12 From Westcott & Hort GNT - Literal Translation - And unto-the-one unto-most-before unto-a-day of-the-ones of-un-leavened, which-also to-the-one to-a-Pascha they-were-surging,

And unto the first day of unleavened which also to the passover they sacrificed, they were saying

The passover is the 14th the feast is the 15th Lev 23. The day the passover is killed is toward the first day of unleavened bread

Scripture 4 all also reads the same way.

And to the first day of the unleavened when the passover they sacrificed, are saying to him

τῇ πρώτῃ ἡμέρᾳ the first day all dative tense. Should the dative be understood as, to, unto or toward.

One other point also; Is not the passover always a preparation day for the high day sabbath of the 15th day of holy convocation. Would they not have also been cleaning out all leaven from their dwelling place?

You are asking multiple questions. To answer all of them would require multiple answers. Too much for one post.
Plesse pick the one you want first. Thank you



My short answer:
My persuasion is Christ was crucified on a Thursday Nisan 15th, Julian date, 30 AD April 6.

 

[percho]

@ Alan Dale Gross


There were two types of "Passovers".

I would like to see scripture for this.

I my humble opinion I believe the Word was made flesh therefore I believe the Jesus would have kept the passover just as it was given to be kept in the OT. The only way Jesus could keep the passover was to die when the passover was to die.

Was there a lamb on the table at the Lord's Supper or was Jesus showing that night how after his sacrifice the next afternoon the feast should be kept.

Wasn't the original passover lamb killed late on the fourteenth and eaten the night of the fifteenth, the death angel passed through around midnight and the people departed Egypt before daybrake on the fifteenth a night to be much remembered?

 

[percho]

You are asking multiple questions. To answer all of them would require multiple answers. Too much for one post.
Plesse pick the one you want first. Thank you



My short answer:
My persuasion is Christ was crucified on a Thursday Nisan 15th, Julian date, 30 AD April 6.

It is your pick. All I can say is if Christ died on the fifteenth he died the wrong day according unto the Word's, Word!

 

[37818]

It is your pick. All I can say is if Christ died on the fifteenth he died the wrong day according unto the Word's, Word!

It was the Romans who crucified Christ on the 15th of Nisan.

Joseph of Arimathaea being a devot Jew had to wait until the 15th of Nisan had ended to ask for Jesus' body to place it in his tomb.

Geneva Bible, Mark 15:42, And nowe when the night was come (because it was the day of the preparation that is before the Sabbath)

Note, the day of the preparation begins in our Thursday evening.

 

[percho]

It was the Romans who crucified Christ on the 15th of Nisan.

Joseph of Arimathaea being a devot Jew had to wait until the 15th of Nisan had ended to ask for Jesus' body to place it in his tomb.

Geneva Bible, Mark 15:42, And nowe when the night was come (because it was the day of the preparation that is before the Sabbath)

Note, the day of the preparation begins in our Thursday evening.

Lev 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.

Your best guess. Was the last day of the sixth month a preparation day?

BTYW I do not know the answer for sure but I would bet that it was/is.

Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

Looks like someone did someone's dirty work.

 

[37818]

Lev 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.

Your best guess. Was the last day of the sixth month a preparation day?

BTYW I do not know the answer for sure but I would bet that it was/is.

Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

Looks like someone did someone's dirty work.

Yep.
Matthew 20:18-19, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.

 

[Van]

And you sir were pounding us but you don't want to recognize that.

The manufactured demonic force you're speaking of should show us that we misunderstanding the Scripture in some way when it doesn't meet our interpretation. If we don't believe the Word of God is pure then the demonic forces can work.

I trust that force will not be able to work in us as we hold the high standard of the Word of God where it should be.

I am sorry if you thought my post addressed you or any poster discussing the date of Easter, rather than the resurrection of Easter. Year after year the same folks create threads on the topic of the day, rather than the resurrection.

 

[Charlie24]

I am sorry if you thought my post addressed you or any poster discussing the date of Easter, rather than the resurrection of Easter. Year after year the same folks create threads on the topic of the day, rather than the resurrection.

I'm sure it's me that needs to apologize to you, Brother.

Things are changing for me health wise and I don't understand all of it, but I know I need to withdraw from certain conversation.

I want to edify the Brotherhood and bring glory to the Lord in the future.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

Luke 24:20-21.

Note: There is no question that this was Sunday when the two disciples were walking along on their way to Emmaus with Jesus.

And it had been three days since they’d witnessed Jesus being Buried and the Guards being posted to secure the tomb and their hopes of this being the Jesus they’d known about Who they thought was going to be a secular King to take over the government were brought to a horrific finality.

First, this is possible from the Greek, also, but not many men of God discerned this stretch.

This fellow’s claim is that “A precise translation of Luke 24:13-21 conveys the true meaning of the Greek text as follows: “But besides all these things, as of today, the third day has already passed since these things took place’”(Luke 24:21).

APPENDIX B - “Today Is the Third Day Since These Things Took Place” | Fred R Coulter

Those who believe in a Sunday resurrection point to a statement in Luke 24:21 as evidence that Jesus rose from the dead at sunrise on the first day of the week.

www.cbcg.org

Few others have come up with this idea on that verse, and I believe he was just trying to make it fit this way to a Wednesday Crucifixion, but that is not necessary.

In verse 21, the two men are in the midst of giving their explanation of the events of the preceding week to Christ.

They say, "But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel." Their hope was really nothing more than a wish. It is significant that their response mentions nothing about the crucifixion…

Luke 24:13-21 - Walking with Christ: Lessons from Luke 24 on Spiritual Awareness

Therefore, our Math Formula that we can adopt as a theory does not include calculating our numbering of the days when they were talking about, this is the third day” to start from that day, on Sunday and then to automatically need to be deduced by going back specifically to the Crucifixion”.

The word, “Crucifixion” is not contained in that verse, in Luke 24:21, and would only be a wild guess assumption to add “Crucifixion Day” into our Math Formula as an axiom, or benchmark, to figure back to. The word, “Crucifixion” is not in Luke 24:21 and would have to be inserted as an interjection which we, or anyone else, do not have the authority to do.

Notice what this guy is saying here: “In verse 21, the two men are in the midst of giving their explanation of the events of the preceding week to Christ.”

Their discussion included, “They say, "But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel."

So, the discussion made by these two men was concerning everything they had experienced and know regarding Jesus and their discussion doesn’t say they were defining the three days that the one mentioned as stopping at the Cucifixion….

“it is probable that he mentions the third day for no other reason than that the Lord had promised that after three days he would rise again.”

We have it our head about “the third day” as having to think instantly about it being related directly to what we understand about what Jesus had always Promised.”

“But, remember, the Time Frame associated with what these two men were talking about involved all the things that the women had told them that had happened. And the women’s experience included the things which took place after Jesus Risen.

“When he afterwards relates that the women had not fouled the body, and that they had seen a vision of angels, and that what the women had said about the empty grave was likewise confirmed by the testimony of the men, the whole amounts to this, that Christ had Risen.”

https://bible.sabda.org/commentary.php?book=42&chapter=24&verse=21

However, what fits “Like a Hand in a Glove” is that the man was saying it had been three days since these things TOOK PLACE, WHICH WAS including the stone being rolled to close the tomb and the guards put in place, which was when they really felt the finality of Jesus being gone. Jesus had been their Hope for being delivered from their Civil Government constraints.

And here we go. We’re ready for the conclusion:

Notice that Jesus asks them “What things are you talking about…” and they said “The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth.” So, it’s proper for us to ask what exactly they were talking about by saying “The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth.”

Jesus asked them, “What things are you talking about that happened in Jerusalem in these days that have made you sad?”

They replied, “The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth.”

Cleopas and the other disciple were “sad” because of “the things concerning Jesus of Nazareth that happened there (in Jerusalem) in these days” (verses 17–19).

(Obviously, Jesus teaching the Word of God and healing people did not make them sad, so that couldn't have been what they were referring to!)

What happened in Jerusalem in “these days” concerning Jesus of Nazareth that made Cleopas and the other disciple sad?

Whatever they were talking about that made them sad, took place over more than one day.

They could not have only been talking about Jesus being arrested, falsely accused, tortured, tried, convicted, scourged, crucified, and dying and put in a tomb, because that all took place on one day, Wednesday.

They must have also been talking about what happened on Thursday when the chief priests and Pharisees came together to Pilate and asked him to make the tomb secure until the third day, and Pilate granting their request and them making the tomb secure by sealing the stone and setting a guard around it.

Matthew 27:

62 Now the next day (Thursday), that followed the Day of the Preparation (Wednesday), the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
63 Saying, “Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while He was yet alive, ‘After three days I will rise again.’
64 Command therefore that the sepulcher be made sure until the third day, lest His disciples come by night, and steal Him away, and say unto the people, ‘He is risen from the dead:’ so the last error shall be worse than the first.”
65 Pilate said unto them, “Ye have a watch: go your way, make it as sure as ye can.”
66 So they went, and made the sepulcher sure, sealing the stone, and setting a watch.”

(Alan’s note: Now here is your Math Formula.

This verse in the immediate context defines the timetable from Thursday to Sunday as being what is meant by, “three days”. That is what’s called, “Bible”.

“The chief priests and Pharisees asked Pilate on Thursday that the tomb be made secure “until the third day,” Sunday (the third day after Thursday). This was because Jesus said that He was going to rise from the dead “the third day (after He was crucified and died),” which was Saturday (the third day after Wednesday).

Matthew 16:21 “From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto His disciples, how that He must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

Matthew 17:23 And they shall kill Him, and the third day He shall be raised again….

Matthew 20:19 And shall deliver Him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify Him: and the third day He shall rise again.

We see in Matthew 27:63 that the chief priests and Pharisees said that Jesus said, “After three days I will rise again.”

This is because the phrase “the third day” means the same thing as “after three days.”

If the guard guarded the tomb until Sunday, and Jesus' body was still in the tomb on Sunday, a day after He was supposed to Rise from the dead, that would prove that Jesus did not rise from the dead “the third day.”

But the guard did not guard the tomb until Sunday because Jesus had already Risen from the dead and left the tomb at about 3:00 – 6:00 P.M. Saturday afternoon. The guard then left also (after they were able to get up!).

So when Jesus said that He was going to “rise from the dead the third day,” He was referring to “the third day after He died.” Jesus died on Wednesday, so “the third day after He died” would be Saturday.

But when Cleopas and the other disciple said, “…today is the third day since these things were done,” they were referring to “the third day after the last thing that was done,” which was the guard being placed around the tomb. The guard was placed around the tomb on Thursday, so “the third day since these things were done” would be Sunday.

So, even if someone would argue that the two disciples were only talking about Jesus' crucifixion and death—and not also about the guards being placed around the tomb—this Scripture still proves that Jesus was not crucified on a Friday because Sunday is only the second day since Friday.

Today is the Third Day

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

Things are changing for me health wise and I don't understand all of it, but I know I need to withdraw from certain conversation.

The woman who touched them hem of Jesus garment had faith in Jesus being their Promised Deliver and that if HE WERE TO BE DEFILED HE COULD NOT BE A PURE SACRIFICE.

And if He touched Him, He would be, because she was unclean.

Then, what happened?

She touched His garment and HE WAS NOT GOING TO BECOME UNCLEAN,
so the only thing that could have been possible was that SHE WAS MADE CLEAN,
INSTEAD OF HIM GETTING DEFILED.

Now, that is what happens when Jesus Swings Low and we are IN HIS PRESENCE.

How do we get in His Presence? Praise Him, Praise Him, Praise Him, Praise Him.

And be sure He knows that you still Love Him, in spite of this new difficulty and actually 'thank Him' that He saw Fit to entrust you with this affliction.

Thank you for Permitting this unclean spirit to come upon me, I Love You! in spite of what's happening.

Come Visit me closely Lord, so I can touch the hem of Your garment.

Hug me, Jesus. Rap your Arms around me and give me Strength and Peace, BY YOUR ETERNAL GRACE, that ONLY COMES FROM YOU.

 

[37818]

@Alan Dale Gross,
Luke 24:21,
Sunday was the 3rd day.
So Saturday was the 2nd day.
Friday was the 1st day since.
Since Thursday.

 

[Charlie24]

@Alan Dale Gross,
Luke 24:21,
Sunday was the 3rd day.
So Saturday was the 2nd day.
Friday was the 1st day since.
Since Thursday.

If a Thur. crucifixion why did Christ say He would be in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights, when it actually would have been 2 days and 3 nights?

 

[37818]

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If a Thur. crucifixion why did Christ say He would be in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights, when it actually would have been 2 days and 3 nights?

He was.
The first whole night was Thursday-Friday.
The first day was all day Friday.
The second whole night was Friday-Saturday.
The second day was all day Saturday.
The third whole night was Saturday-Sunday.
The resurrection was on the third day.

Check the gospel resurrection prophecies.

 

[Charlie24]

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He was.
The first whole night was Thursday-Friday.
The first day was all day Friday.
The second whole night was Friday-Saturday.
The second day was all day Saturday.
The third whole night was Saturday-Sunday.
The resurrection was on the third day.

Check the gospel resurrection prophecies.

He would have been in the tomb on Friday and Saturday, 2 days.

Thursday night, Friday night, and Saturday night, 3 nights.

 

[Charlie24]

He would have been in the tomb on Friday and Saturday, 2 days.

Thursday night, Friday night, and Saturday night, 3 nights.

On a Wed. crucifixion He would have been in the tomb Thursday, Friday and Saturday, 3 days.

Wednesday night, Thursday night, Friday night, 3 nights.

He would have risen around sunset on Saturday, which began Sunday, around 12 hours before Mary Magdalene found Him in the Garden,

 

[37818]

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On a Wed. crucifixion He would have been in the tomb Thursday, Friday and Saturday, 3 days.

Wednesday night, Thursday night, Friday night, 3 nights.

He would have risen around sunset on Saturday, which began Sunday, around 12 hours before Mary Magdalene found Him in the Garden,

You are effectively denying Christ being raised on to the third day according to the word of God.

He would have risen around sunset on Saturday, . . .