Where is heaven?

[Oseas3]

Not sure of the purpose of this post.

The created earth is part of our physical universe, but is separate from the heavens. God created the heavens (1st and 2d heaven) and the earth.

Your imagination and what you said are good for nothing. ->1 Timothy 4:4->They shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of GOD: 1Corinthians 2:14
He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.->John 3:31.

The second part of the post seems to have nothing to do with the topic.

The second part is about the time you are living in, and you must wake up fast according Matthew 25:6-10. Be prepared or else get ready.

 

[Oseas3]

You “work with the Word of God” in a way that does not help anyone, for your scripture quotes are often not relevant to the specific discussion.

I work with the Word of GOD, yes, the Word of GOD is extremely relevant, and is interpreted and understood only AND ONLY by the Spirit of GOD, of course. 1Corinthians 2:11-> For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of GOD knoweth no man, but the Spirit of GOD.

Plus you are prideful and arrogant about it.

I work with the Word of GOD. What would I or should I answer or reply by the Word of GOD?

I have Galatians 4:16:-> Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

 

[Oseas3]

Brother I'm not trying to tell you what to do, just making a suggestion.

It's hard to find any relevancy in your post to the topic. We can't understand it, or at least I can't.

I you try to stick to Scripture more relevant and explain how you understand it, things would be much easier for all of us.

Matthew 15:15-16:
15 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.
16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?

GOD is Spirit. John 4:24. -> The Word was GOD-John 1:1. ->and is GOD, for ever.

The things of the Spirit of GOD are spiritually discerned. ->1Corinthians 2:14-> the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of GOD: ... neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[Psalty]

Matthew 15:15-16:
15 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.
16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?

GOD is Spirit. John 4:24. -> The Word was GOD-John 1:1. ->and is GOD, for ever.

The things of the Spirit of GOD are spiritually discerned. ->1Corinthians 2:14-> the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of GOD: ... neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Instead of responding like this, just say directly “I think tou are spiritually blind”. Its easier to understand what your point if than us trying to put together how to connect why this connects to the person you think is lacking understanding.

 

[Oseas3]

This was beautifully put!

What would you say if after this you look, and, behold, a door is opened in heaven: ...and if you heard a voice saying for you: Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter with the establishment of the 3rd heaven? ->Revelation 11:15-18 combined with Luke 20:35-36.

 

[Oseas3]

Instead of responding like this, just say directly “I think tou are spiritually blind”. Its easier to understand what your point if than us trying to put together how to connect why this connects to the person you think is lacking understanding.

My Lord JESUS said:-John 12:47-48
46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. ->(That is the seventth and last Day or seventh and last millennium.->And 2 Corinthians 5:10-11:-> 10 For we must all appear before the Judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto GOD; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

 

[Psalty]

What would you say if after this you look, and, behold, a door is opened in heaven: ...and if you heard a voice saying for you: Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter with the establishment of the 3rd heaven? ->Revelation 11:15-18 combined with Luke 20:35-36.

Id say “yes sir!”

 

[Psalty]

My Lord JESUS said:-John 12:47-48
46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. ->(That is the seventth and last Day or seventh and last millennium.->And 2 Corinthians 5:10-11:-> 10 For we must all appear before the Judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto GOD; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Lets take your first one.

You quote John, but am I to assume you think I abide in darkness? There is no reason why. Theres no demonstration of how. Theres no reason to apply this.

There are several of you on this board that post like this (brightflame is another). I dont think you understand how disconnected your scripture quotation is because you dont interpret. So here are a couple for you:

Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy; and greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may receive edifying.
— 1 Corinthians 14:5

Therefore let one who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret.
— 1 Corinthians 14:13

Then they said to him, “We have had a dream and there is no one to interpret it.” Then Joseph said to them, “Do not interpretations belong to God? Tell it to me, please.”
— Genesis 40:8

Pharaoh said to Joseph, “I have had a dream, but no one can interpret it; and I have heard it said about you, that when you hear a dream you can interpret it.”
— Genesis 41:15

 

[easternstar]

While I appreciate everyone who takes the time and effort to respond, sometimes I don't get what someone is trying to say.

 

[Van]

The Paradise was in the Earth where there was a rebellion against GOD. Jude 1:6-7:-> 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, GOD hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the Judgment of the great Day. ->(The Great Day is the Lord's Day, the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium. We are living in the turn from the sixth to the seventh Day, seventh millennium, it's midnight, understand? Time of the righteous Judgment of GOD, the Judgment Seat of Christ). ->7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Genesis 6:4-6-> 4-There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of GOD->(THE ANGELS, starting by ex-Cherub->the ruler of the Paradise, now MAN of sin->Genesis 3:1-7 combined with Revelation12:9)
came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the Lord that He had made man on the earth, and it grieved Him at His heart.


What you wrote is a ridiculous and a insane interpretation of the Word of GOD, interpretation by the letter, a MORTAL interpretation, the letter kills, is mortal, who eat what you said, dies, he is dead. GOD forbid! Terrible, very very terrrible. This scenario explains or clarifies what JESUS said unto one of His disciples: -> Matthew 8:22->He said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

Elijah was caught up and his mortal body was put on immortality. To understand this mystery, for example ,1Corinthians 15:51-55 combined with Philippians 3:20-21. It's it.

Your imaginations and speculations are good for nothing. What does the Word of GOD say? Isaiah 40:21-25:->
21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?
22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain-> (He created and established the first heaven and the second, and from now on He will establish the third heaven, and after the millennium will be established the heaven of the heavens, in the Eternity), and He spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

23 That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity.
24 Yea, they shall not be planted; yea, they shall not be sown: yea, their stock shall not take root in the earth: and he shall also blow upon them, and they shall wither, and the WHIRLWIND shall take them away as stubble.

25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.


Your thinking is from a human perspective, in fact a stumblingblock->(Genesis 3:8-11 combined with 2:17), not from GOD perspective.
John 3:31-34 reveal us that:->... he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that GOD is true.
34 For he whom GOD hath sent speaketh the words of GOD: for GOD giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

GOD created four heavens, but He sat upon the circle of the earth

Yes, GOD created four heavens by His Word(Isaiah 51:16), i.e. the 1st, 2nd and 3rd heavens, and the heaven of the heavens, but He sat upon the circle of the Earth - Isaiah 40:22KJV also Nevi'im (Prophets) Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 40:22 - Hebrew Bible - : "It is He Who sits above the circle of the...

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1) Neither Jude 1:6-7, nor Genesis 6:4 is germane to the location of Paradise. However, Paradise and the third heaven, not the fourth heaven, are equated in 2 Corinthians 12:2-4.

2) Matthew 8:22 is NOT germane to the location of Paradise. The idea is actually that we, followers of Christ, must stay focused on the job at hand, leading those still with the opportunity of salvation, to Christ.

3) Scripture does NOT tell us what became of Elijah's physical body, the conjecture of people not withstanding.

4) My post did NOT address the New Heaven God will establish at the end of the age.

5) Yes, my thinking and interpretation of scripture is from my human perspective, as enlightened by my Helper, sent to guide me.

 

[Van]

Your imagination and what you said are good for nothing. ->1 Timothy 4:4->They shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of GOD: 1Corinthians 2:14
He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.->John 3:31.

The second part is about the time you are living in, and you must wake up fast according Matthew 25:6-10. Be prepared or else get ready.

Try addressing the actual topic, rather than disparaging others or changing the subject to your off topic conjectures.

 

[Walter]

Try addressing the actual topic, rather than disparaging others or changing the subject to your off topic conjectures.

Lower your hopes that he will do anything of the kind. He uses just about any thread to cut & paste his dogmatic interpretations in which if you challenge you are either demonic or Hell bound. You will notice he will address you as 'brother' until you disagree with him and then you better 'be prepared or get ready'!

Very prideful, arrogant and judgmental as another BB member has noted.

 

[easternstar]

Lower your hopes that he will do anything of the kind. He uses just about any thread to cut & paste his dogmatic interpretations in which if you challenge you are either demonic or Hell bound. You will notice he will address you as 'brother' until you disagree with him and then you better 'be prepared or get ready'!

Very prideful, arrogant and judgmental as another BB member has noted.

Since I don't know how to respond to him, I just don't respond at all.

 

[Walter]

Since I don't know how to respond to him, I just don't respond at all.

I stopped trying long ago

 

[easternstar]

I stopped trying long ago

I welcome good-faith input, even if I strongly disagree, but I feel I can't respond appropriately if I don't understand the point somebody is making.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

And where is that?

Heaven was always in my happy places ie when my wife and I were intimate in making a baby, when she became pregnant, in the birth of my son, on vacations together, on my retirement, in playing with my son, in hearing beautiful music, in speaking to my grandchildren, my wedding day.

 

[easternstar]

Heaven was always in my happy places ie when my wife and I were intimate in making a baby, when she became pregnant, in the birth of my son, on vacations together, on my retirement, in playing with my son, in hearing beautiful music, in speaking to my grandchildren, my wedding day.

That's wonderful!
All good things come from God. I take solace in my belief that nothing but good awaits us when we are reunited with our loved ones after we finally depart this place.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

That's wonderful!
All good things come from God. I take solace in my belief that nothing but good awaits us when we are reunited with our loved ones after we finally depart this place.

I don’t believe that life ends when our bodies fail us..you to continue existing even after the body fails. The soul, that which G-D has breathe into you continues unabated. In fact, the soul is re-energized because it no longer has to carry the body around. In short, the soul can’t die… and is a conscious living thing, more like G-D.

 

[Oseas3]

Lets take your first one.
You quote John, but am I to assume you think I abide in darkness? There is no reason why. Theres no demonstration of how. Theres no reason to apply this.

What I think is not what you think that I think. Furthermore, I did not say the readers are blind, you said that->(your post #44).

There are several of you on this board that post like this (brightflame is another). I dont think you understand how disconnected your scripture quotation is because you dont interpret. So here are a couple for you:

Your opinion is good for nothing. What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, GOD is Spirit->(John 4:24 combined with John 6:63 and so on). -. James 1:5 to 9:-> 5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of GOD, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

Scripture interprets Scripture

Facebook - Textus Receptus Academy https://m.facebook.com/groups/christian.apologetics.page/permalink/1625897814484486/? Ron Braswell https://www.facebook.com/ron.braswell.52 Mark 16:9-20 is the autographic text. I...

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[Oseas3]

While I appreciate everyone who takes the time and effort to respond, sometimes I don't get what someone is trying to say.

1Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of GOD.