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How would you counsel this pastor?

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By R. Eric Thomas

Asking Eric: Clergy spouse keeps rummaging through church office​

Dear Eric: I am a clergy person with a comfortable office/study at the church building. I love the space. It’s where the great bulk of my work gets done.


I also love my wife.

But she is pretty boundaryless regarding my office space. This is problematic for a few reasons. One is that I often have confidential information about parishioners on my desk. Sometimes, notes on financial aid we’ve given or notes on a pastoral counseling situation.

R. Eric Thomas

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Dear Eric: I am a clergy person with a comfortable office/study at the church building. I love the space. It’s where the great bulk of my work gets done.


I also love my wife.

But she is pretty boundaryless regarding my office space. This is problematic for a few reasons. One is that I often have confidential information about parishioners on my desk. Sometimes, notes on financial aid we’ve given or notes on a pastoral counseling situation.


These things are not lying out in the open, but my spouse will come into the office and, as she talks, will casually flip through paperwork on my desk. It’s not cool.

I understand that the pastor’s office/study is a unique space where many people come and expect to feel right at home, but she is constantly coming in, moving things, using it for her own storage, or making “suggestions” or criticisms about the decor. (In general, her things expand to fill the available space at home and in her classroom, too.)

I’ve tried every kind way I can to address the concern I have with all of this. But it leads to defensiveness and arguments. What advice would you give a guy who just wants his office to be his office?

Seeking Sanctuary

Dear Sanctuary: Put a lock on the door.

If you’ve got confidential material in the office, it’s probably a good idea for it to be secured, anyway. I’m a little hazy about why she has so much access to the office – is she coming from home to the church on a regular basis? Or do you also live at the church? Either way, it’s simply not communal married property; it belongs to your job. She can respect that or she can learn how to pick a lock.

That said, a lock only solves part of the problem. The larger issue is that your wife is showing a profound lack of respect for your job, your space and the privacy of your parishioners. This is dangerous for your church and also for your marriage.

A this point, I’d suggest you talk it through in marriage counseling. If she’s responding with defensiveness about moving things into your office and looking at papers, you’ve asked her not to, it’s hard to see a path forward without a neutral third party who can help sort out what’s going on. As you well know, a counselor can help you both hear each other more clearly and, ideally, can help her see the problem and choose other behaviors.
 

Scarlett O.

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Well, he said all of this private material is not lying out in the open, but if she comes in his office and "casually flips through" all of it lying on his desk, then it IS lying out in the open! Anyone can get to it: the associate clergy, the person who cleans the office, the secretary, the chairman of the deacons, the person who was counseled. All it takes for him to go to the bathroom and anyone can "casually flip through" anything on his desk.

It's so simple, I don't why "Eric" doesn't see it.

When I was teaching, I would NEVER leave a letter from a parent, a test paper with the grade on it, or my notes about a student lying on top of my desk - whether in a folder or not.

He needs to be more organized and more professional. He needs to have ALL private documents in their appropriate folders and those folder LOCKED in a file drawer either in his desk or filing cabinet. Just leaving that drawer or cabinet locked should not be an issue.

But locking the door is going to lead to a divorce.

They need counseling over this regardless. That way, both sides can come out. I guarantee you, there is more to this story than just a "clergy" just wanting to be a "guy who just wants his office to be his office". There's much said in that self-description.
 

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Well, he said all of this private material is not lying out in the open, but if she comes in his office and "casually flips through" all of it lying on his desk, then it IS lying out in the open! Anyone can get to it: the associate clergy, the person who cleans the office, the secretary, the chairman of the deacons, the person who was counseled. All it takes for him to go to the bathroom and anyone can "casually flip through" anything on his desk.

It's so simple, I don't why "Eric" doesn't see it.

When I was teaching, I would NEVER leave a letter from a parent, a test paper with the grade on it, or my notes about a student lying on top of my desk - whether in a folder or not.

He needs to be more organized and more professional. He needs to have ALL private documents in their appropriate folders and those folder LOCKED in a file drawer either in his desk or filing cabinet. Just leaving that drawer or cabinet locked should not be an issue.

But locking the door is going to lead to a divorce.

They need counseling over this regardless. That way, both sides can come out. I guarantee you, there is more to this story than just a "clergy" just wanting to be a "guy who just wants his office to be his office". There's much said in that self-description.
First off, it seems the pastor is not keeping his family orderly. The wife does not dictate to the husband. His wife is in rebellion and he is not much of a pastor for letting her remain in rebellion.
 
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