The "D" Chart

[Salty]

 

[37818]

The chart has the rapture and the second appearing Biblically wrong.
This disagreement needs to be discussed.

 

[Ascetic X]

The D chart shows nothing happening after the 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth, the millenium. So is the post-millenium New Jerusalem descending from heaven to earth the 8th dispensation?

 

[Ben1445]

My assumption is that after the millennium, there is a new heaven and a new earth and if you wanted to start dispensations you would go back to one. I’m not saying that anyone teaches this, and I have seen some teach eternity as an eighth dispensation. I think the purpose of the dispensations is to teach us as we are on our way to eternity.
In eternity, I don’t believe that we will need dispensations. But I hath not seen nor e’r heard the things that God has prepared for them that love Him.

 

[JD731]

The chart has the rapture and the second appearing Biblically wrong.
This disagreement needs to be discussed

The chart is showing a mid trib. That should be discussed.

 

[Ben1445]

The chart is showing a mid trib. That should be discussed.

Good eye. I was only watching the colors.
I interpreted it by what I expected to see.

It might not though. The six thousand years is an about and the church is in white. The arrow points to the middle of the red instead of splitting what might be 3 1/2 white and 3 1/2 red.

 

[JD731]

The dispensations is the way that God chose to get himself fame among the nations and to make himself known as the one true God. We know much about him by the way he has dispensed his knowledge of himself practically. Those before the flood could not know him like we do.

Joshua 9:9 And they said unto him, From a very far country thy servants are come because of the name of the LORD thy God: for we have heard the fame of him, and all that he did in Egypt,

Speaking of the tribulation (the Day of the LORD)

15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine s flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
18 For I [know] their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, [to] Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, [to] Tubal, and Javan, [to] the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.
20 And they shall bring all your (Israelitish) brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD.
21 And I will also take of them for priests [and] for Levites, saith the LORD.
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

 

[JD731]

Good eye. I was only watching the colors.
I interpreted it by what I expected to see.

It might not though. The six thousand years is an about and the church is in white. The arrow points to the middle of the red instead of splitting what might be 3 1/2 white and 3 1/2 red.

I see what you mean and I think you are probably right.

 

[Ben1445]

The chart has the rapture and the second appearing Biblically wrong.
This disagreement needs to be discussed.

I see a pre-trib rapture
2 Peter 2:9
The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

And a physical presence for a thousand year reign after a physical appearance at a pre millennial second coming.

Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


I’ve forgotten what you expect to happen if I’ve ever read it.
Would you mind giving a brief explanation of your eschatology?

 

[JD731]

What if the epistle of Paul to the Romans outlined the 7 dispensations of time in it's 16 chapters? The theme of the epistle is the "gospel of God." The gospel of God includes the gospel of Christ. Both are mentioned in the first 16 verses in Romans 1. The first verse in Romans is 7 verses long. There is something complete about this gospel of God. It should be noted and studied by discerning Christians who desire to know God and his ways. It may rank as among the greatest letters ever written.

 

[37818]

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I see a pre-trib rapture
2 Peter 2:9
The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

And a physical presence for a thousand year reign after a physical appearance at a pre millennial second coming.

Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


I’ve forgotten what you expect to happen if I’ve ever read it.
Would you mind giving a brief explanation of your eschatology?

In John 6, Jesus taught the resurrection occurs in the last day.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 teaches the rapture will in no way occur until after the believers' resurrections. Matthew 24:29-31 teasbes is after the tribulation.

 

[JesusFan]

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Actually only 3, before the fall, Covenant of works, Old One, then final new One

 

[37818]

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Actually only 3, before the fall, Covenant of works, Old One, then final new One

All the dispensations have been covenants of grace.

Genesis 6:8, But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

Romans 5:13, . . . For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. . . . .

Galatians 3:16-17, Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

 

[JesusFan]

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All the dispensations have been covenants of grace.

Genesis 6:8, But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

Romans 5:13, . . . For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. . . . .

Galatians 3:16-17, Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

The Old covenant was a works based blessing though, depending on how well one kept the Law and followed and obeyed God

 

[37818]

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The Old covenant was a works based blessing though, depending on how well one kept the Law and followed and obeyed God

APB LXX Exodus 12:40

APB LXX English Exodus 12:40, And the dwelling of the sons of Israel, which they dwelt in the land of Egypt, and in the land of Canaan, they and   their fathers -- four hundred thirty years.

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Galatians 3:16-17, Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Romans 4:5, But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 3:19-20, Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Salvation has always been by grace.

 

[JesusFan]

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APB LXX Exodus 12:40

APB LXX English Exodus 12:40, And the dwelling of the sons of Israel, which they dwelt in the land of Egypt, and in the land of Canaan, they and   their fathers -- four hundred thirty years.

www.baptistboard.com

Galatians 3:16-17, Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Romans 4:5, But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 3:19-20, Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Salvation has always been by grace.

Yes, as saved under the basis of the Cross of Christ, but the Old Covenant relationship was works based, in order to get physical and material blessings from yahweh