The Lord of Ps 110, right?
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37818
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Being another Person with God, and being both.
You think maybe the humanity of Jesus is in view as the one on God’s right hand?
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Grace is a dispensation, the 6th out of 7 dispensations when Jesus Christ is exercising his office as the perfect priest sitting on the Father's throne. His office as perfect prophet has passed when he exercised it when he walked among us and I have not convinced anyone here that the prophecies he gave will surely come to pass. Hardly anyone here has even mentioned any of them except in denial. They are not discerned among Christians for the most part. When Jesus Christ rises and returns to the earth it will be as the perfect King and the dispensation of grace will have been over and the rebels killed. Psa 110 tells us what will happen next when he comes.
1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. (present tense)
2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies. (future tense)
3 Thy people shall be willing (a prophecy) in the day of thy power (a future specific day that is discussed in multiple passages in the scriptures), in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek. (present tense while he is sitting at his right hand)
5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
(not the Lord (Adonay, while he is at thy right had will strike through kings but the same lord who is presently at thy right hand will strike through kings in the future day of his wrath) Future tense.
6 He shall judge among the heathen (gentiles), he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.(future tense, the heads of countries are kings)
7 He shall drink of the brook in the way: therefore shall he lift up the head.
This is a prophecy of the great tribulation. The time of Jacob's trouble. It is just before he inaugurates his Kingdom in Jerusalem over Israel and the whole world.
The church, the body of Christ, the recipients of the grace of God is not in immediate view in the Psalms.
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canadyjd
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Nothing in Luke 19 suggests Christ’s Kingdom is on earth for 1000 years. In fact, His kingdom is a “far country.”
Christ said, Himself, His kingdom was not on earth, but in heaven.
The purpose of the parable from Luke 19 is not to develop some kind of dispensational theology, but rather to establish a theology of constant preparedness for His return, no matter when that was.
One of the major problems with dispensational theories (and there are several) is the many “second comings” that are imagined.
There is only one. It makes no sense that claim two or more “second” comings
Peace to you
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Therefore it is no great surprise to me that 2 days is a phase that appears 5 times in the NT scriptures and is a metaphor for this age of grace. This is not incidental. It is deliberate from a mind that is infinitely greater than ours.
Matthew 26:2
Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.
Mark 14:1
After two days was the feast of the passover, and of unleavened bread: and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death.
John 4:40
So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days.
John 4:43
Now after two days he departed thence, and went into Galilee.
John 11:6
When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode two days still in the same place where he was.
The dispensation of grace as it pertains to God's system of seven dispensations as indicated be the chart presented here is associated with the number 5. It is the 5th dispensation. Grace is the operative principle of divine dealing with all men. The duration of this age or time frame is 2 days as God says he counts time, one day as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day. Of course for us mortals it is two thousand years.
Therefore it is no great surprise to me that 2 days is a phase that appears 5 times in the NT scriptures and is a metaphor for this age of grace. This is not incidental. It is deliberate from a mind that is infinitely greater than ours.
Matthew 26:2
Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.
Mark 14:1
After two days was the feast of the passover, and of unleavened bread: and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death.
John 4:40
So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days.
John 4:43
Now after two days he departed thence, and went into Galilee.
John 11:6
When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode two days still in the same place where he was.
Ben1445
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Go back and read Daniel 2.
The kingdom being set up is truly not of this world, but is unmistakably in this world.
37818
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Not maybe.
Yes. Of course.
The promised kingdom of Christ and the fulfillment of the Abrahamic and Davidic covenants is the emphasis of the first three gospels, so much so that they are called "gospels." What was preached by Jesus and his disciples was to Israel and was called the gospel of the kingdom. It was "at hand." This is an earthly kingdom that deals with land, real estate. What transpired in history and the provision of God was predicated upon their rejection of their King. We as gentiles should rejoice because of their rejection that we reached favored status with God. I am speaking of the gentile church which is spoken of in Eph 3 as the wisdom of God.
Re 20 tells us that his kingdom is one day long as God counts days, a thousand years as a day and a day as a thousand years. It is the Day of the LORD, a prominent doctrinal theme of scripture, and 1000 years long in Re 20.
Sorry, but he did not say that. He said my kingdom is not of this world. (aion = age= time frame).
John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
The time frame was under the Mosaic Law.
The purpose of the parable was rewards or lack of rewards for the stewards who were over the possession of the certain man. Take a look at this.
Matt 19:27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
I am asking you to just haul off and believe those words.
There is only one second coming to the earth in dispensational thought. It is recorded in Re 19.
See Ps 115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.
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Ascetic X
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None of these verses with “two days” in them, nor their appearance five times in the NT, give any indication that “two days” is a metaphor for “this age of grace.”
Not exactly. What Jesus actually said was "My kingdom is not of this world" (John 18:36), with the world "of" being the Greek ek, meaning "from."
What are the "several" dispensational theories you mean? If you prefer covenant theology, it also has "several" theories, so what is your point with this?
And what in the world are the "many 'second comings'" you are talking about?? Never heard of that one. As JD points out, there is only one in dispensational doctrine.
Certainly.
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First of all, the meaning of the parable was very plain in v. 11. It was to counteract the disciples' thinking that the kingdom was coming right away. Since it is a parable, it is designed to have only one meaning or theme.
Secondly, it is a parable, so therefore it is not designed to be the basis for theology. Think of it as a sermon illustration, not a theological statement.
Maybe not and there might be a better word than "metaphor" to describe what God is teaching us with the exact number but Jesus said in John 6:63 that the words he speaks are spirit and they are life. I accept the Bible as being the words of God and nothing in it is without purpose and intent.
There is another phrase similar to this phase that adds another element to our understanding. It is the phrase "certain days." It too is found 5 times in the NT. How man days is certain days? Well, it might be two but if it were and it was given then there would not be the phase for grace, indicating the length of this dispensation. But the the number 10 is always associated with this age of grace or with the gentiles. For instance, it is not by accident that God had Peter open the door of faith to gentiles in Acts 10. Some people will no doubt have reasons that this is a foolish assumption but all I can say is that this Bible is a miraculous book because it was given by a miraculous God. Five plus five is ten.
- Acts 9:19
And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus.
- Acts 10:48
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
- Acts 16:12
And from thence to Philippi, which is the chief city of that part of Macedonia, and a colony: and we were in that city abiding certain days.
- Acts 24:24
And after certain days, when Felix came with his wife Drusilla, which was a Jewess, he sent for Paul, and heard him concerning the faith in Christ.
- Acts 25:13
And after certain days king Agrippa and Bernice came unto Caesarea to salute Festus.
Think he is referring to Rapture and Second Coming as held in Dispy pretrib teaching
Ascetic X
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Not sure where you get these numerological ideas. You may be reading too much tradition of men into the scriptures.
Chapter divisions were uninspired additions of men. So with Acts chapter 10, the 10 has no numerological significance.
If he is, he is not understanding the doctrine. No one in dispensationalism calls the Rapture a "second coming." In the Rapture, as I'm sure you know, Jesus doesn't come to earth. And of course historical premillennialism has the same doctrine. It's Bible!
Are you saying that the numbers in the Bible are uninspired and have no doctrinal significance and no influence over whole
Ben1445
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Numbers show order, not doctrine.
It is great to see the organization of the Lord with numbers, but when you start building doctrine on numbers, you have made something else. I haven’t met anyone who doesn’t recognize the significance of numbers in Scripture. Even Jesus used them. “As Jonah was three days and three nights…”
But that tells us about something. It doesn’t reveal a doctrine.
Think the main view that causes some heartburn is pretrib premil, as they seem to be able to accept other variations fine
'Biblical Numerology" as had some see "interesting" things from numbers in the text , even though I do not buy it
Hmmmmmm.
