“The prodigal son and the unjust Steward”

[Oseas3]

I am sorry, but I don't really understand what you mean by the Holy Sprit being the younger brother of Jesus. Jesus is called the only-begotten Son of God. God the Father didn't have two Sons. The Holy Spirit is never referred to in the bible as either the brother of Jesus or as Son of God.

Publication about prophecy of Isaiah 7:14-17 and Isaiah 9:6

Does Isaiah Predict the Virgin Birth? | Peter Gentry

Against the modern consensus, a close study of Isaiah 7:14 suggests the prophet directly predicted a virgin birth in the distant future.

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Does Isaiah Predict the Virgin Birth?
Analyzing a small portion of the subject linked above, as quoted below, it is important to check whether the message reflects the truth or not, as commented below:

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Does Isaiah Predict the Virgin Birth?​

Against the modern consensus, a close study of Isaiah 7:14 suggests the prophet directly predicted a virgin birth in the distant future.​

Peter J. Gentry - December 23, 2025​

When Christians celebrate Christmas, we are celebrating the miraculous birth of a child to a young woman who was a virgin—according to the New Testament (Matthew 1:18–25, Luke 1:26–38). The Gospel of Matthew specifically connects this birth with a prophecy given by Isaiah (7:14) that “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (Matt. 1:23).
Does Isaiah Predict the Virgin Birth? - Against the modern consensus, a close study of Isaiah 7:14 suggests the prophet directly predicted a virgin birth in the distant future.
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What is the great mystery? How should we interpret it? Why do I ask this? I ask because Isaiah actually prophesied about two distinct births:

-The birth of JESUS–Isaiah 9:6->JESUS has genealogy, but He was born of a virgin.

-And the birth of Michael->Isaiah 7:14-17–>Michael has not genealogy, but he was born of a virgin.

JESUS and Michael are two distinct persons.

And now, how to explain these two mysterious births? Or mysterious biblical events?

The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. By the way, what does the Word of GOD say? 1Corinthians 2:11 says:-> What man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of a man, which is in him? even so the things of GOD knoweth no man, but the Spirit of GOD. It’s impossible to interpret Scriptures with Truth without the Spirit of GOD. By the way,“ the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of GOD: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”-1Corinthians 2:14. It’s it.


The author of the subject said: >>>But debates have raged for centuries over the details in Isaiah 7, especially around the translation of the key term “virgin.” This translation debate goes back at least to the Conservatives at the time panned the translation for this and other issues, accusing it of liberalism. But, by the twenty-first century, whether conservative or liberal, a consensus had formed in agreement with the RSV translators that the Hebrew word ʿalmâ in v. 14 does, in fact, mean “young woman” and does not necessarily indicate a virgin.<<<

Now, now, even GOD Himself said to the king Acaz:~>Isaiah 7:14KJV->Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign;…What kind of sign was in the mind of GOD Almighty? Was it a mere “young woman” as the mere common man think saying that "does not necessarily indicate a virgin”? What a poor and insanity is the mind of the common and evil man. The Lord spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should not walk in the way of this people.​

Isaiah 8:9-11KJV:→ 9 Associate yourselves, O ye people, and ye shall be broken in pieces; and give ear, all ye of far countries: gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces; gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces. 10 Take counsel together, and it shall come to nought; speak the word, and it shall not stand: for God is with us.(Yes, EMANUEL is with us true believers). 11 The Lord spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should not walk in the way of this people.

Isaiah 7:14→ What kind of sign was in the mind of GOD Almighty? It was:→ “Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.” It means:→GOD with us. → And who was the father of the child? A vulgar man? And his common son called Immanuel? Oh no.

To say a common or vulgar woman shall conceive, it is not a sign for GOD, but to say a virgin has conceive, it is a very and strong sign before my GOD, surely.

What is the great mystery? How should we interpret it? Why do I ask this? I ask because Isaiah actually prophesied about two distinct births:

-The birth of JESUS–Isaiah 9:6->JESUS has genealogy, but He was born of a virgin, of course, whose name was Mary.

-The birth of Michael->Isaiah 7:14-17 combined withj Revelation 12:1-2and5, and so on–>Michael has not genealogy, but he also was born of a virgin.


The birth of JESUS:→ Isaiah 9:6 ;

According to the GOD’s Plan of work for salvation of the world,
- the birth of JESUS would be after 42 generations after Abraham,
- in the turn of the fourth to the fifth Day or around 4000 years after Adam(Genesis 1:16 combined with John 5:17),
- or 483 years after the rebuild of the Temple and the reign of king Dario of 36 years:→ 522 – 486 BC.
→ When JESUS came He said: John 12:47:-> 47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

- In fact, JESUS came around 750 years after the prophet Isaiah,
- and 4000 years after Adam,
- and around 2000 years ago,
and He said: My Father worketh hitherto, and I work(yes, GOD the Father was still working) .->John 5:17 combined with John 9:4-5>-> 4 I must work the works of Him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. 5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world→the greater Light-Genesis 1:16.
And JESUS said:-> John 12:48-50: ->48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the Word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last Day.->(this Day just arrived, the seventh and last Day, the Lord’s Day). 49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.


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[Oseas3]

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The birth of Michael – Isaiah 7:14 combined with Revelation 12:1-2and5, and so on.

So, the question is:“Does Isaiah Predict the Virgin Birth? Yes, “he predicted a virgin birth in the distant future” yes, as was said by the author of this thread, and it for to be fulfilled exactly in the time of Apocalypse, or around 2700 years after the prophet Isaiah, as is written in Revelation 12:1-2 and 5, showing a woman face to face with the great Dragon→ Revelation 12:3-4 and 9.
GOD provided the birth of a man child through this virgin to fight against the great dragon and to protect his mother, this wonderful event only occurs after the man child be caught up by the Father Himself, and to His Throne.→ Revelation 12:7-17.

If you want to know GOD’s Throne where the man child was placed by GOD the Father, after be caughted up by Him, →read Psalms 97, mainly verse 2 combined with Psalms 89:14, take a look.

By the way, it is the mother of the man child who will marry with JESUS in His coming, understand? and he will be with her in this ineffable event after to fight against the great red dragon.→ Revelation 12:7-17 combined with 1Thessalonians 4:16. The name of the man child is Michael. Isaiah 7:14-17 combined with Luke 15:24-25 and Revelation 12:7-17 refers to Michael. Michael is the Warrior. -.JESUS IS THE SAVIOR.
In fact, believe you or not, Michael is the younger brother of JESUS:->Isaiah 7:14-17 combined with Luke 15:24-25, and he is also the Ancient of days->Daniel 7:22, and judgment will be given to the saints of the most High, and the time came that the saints possess the kingdom;->Daniel 7:22 combined with 2:40-45 and Revelation 11:15-18, take a look.


-The birth of JESUS–Isaiah 9:6->JESUS has genealogy,but He was born of a virgin.

-The birth of Michael->Isaiah 7:14-17–>Michael has not genealogy, but he was born of a virgin.

The birth of JESUS:->Isaiah 9:6 → For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His NAME shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. → (For short, we can say that the extended NAME that was written is simply One-> JESUS.

Furthermore, when GOD revealed to Isaiah that He would provide for the sending of His Son-the firstborn (Isaiah 9:6), it would be in a surprising way, there would be no sign of His coming according to the verse: Let's analyse the verse:

GOD showed to Isaiah that He would provide the birth of a child, and Isaiah 9:6 reveals us, and we must interpreted that: -> Unto us a child is born (Who? The Word made flesh→ so was born JESUS), and: ->unto us a Son is given(GOD's Son, the firstborn, the Word made flesh) : and the government shall be upon His shoulder-> as King: -> and His NAME shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. →Simplifying: JESUS.

Colossians 1:16->For by Him (as Mighty God), were all things created that are in heaven(Ephesians 1:3-10, and so on), and that are in earth.→the dry land→Genesis 1:9-10.

When GOD showed to Isaiah that “a child would be given” (Isaiah 9:6), this great and main event or birth was not linked only to a simple sign, but in fact it would be much more significant than a simple sign. What GOD was revealing is that at such a time He would become flesh, and how significant this event would be for the salvation of mankind, understand? As is written in John 12:46-50, take a look.

Within the spectrum of interpretations of Isaiah 7:14, there is only one that is true, and this is the one that matters and prevails, right?

The event according to the description of the prophet:-> Isaiah 7:14-16

14 Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may KNOW TO REFUSE the evil, and CHOOSE the good.-> (This son is not the same of Isaiah 9:6, of course, because the child called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace, he would never need to KNOW TO REFUSE the evil and choose good as He Himself said: Luke 15:29 and 31-32, Oh never, of course. Who needed that was His younger brother→Michael-Isaiah 7:14 combined with Revelation 12:1-2 and 5-17, take a look).

16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings. →(Judah and Israel as we know today).

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Analysing the theory below as was quoted:

Quote: """ the traditional interpretation of the church, based upon Matt. 1:23, takes the עָלְמָה/ παρθένος [ʿalmâ/parthenos] to be Mary and Immanuel to be Jesus. In some quarters, it is still considered correct today, even if there are certain reservations and an awareness that Isaiah would have not been able to anticipate the specific way in which the predictions would be fulfilled."""

Oh yes, Isaiah speaking as a common man could not "be able to anticipate the specific way in which the predictions would be fulfilled", but the question is that it was GOD who spake by the prophet Isaiah, understand? Isaiah 6:1-9, take a look. I see that the author of this phrase saying that Isaiah could not "be able to anticipate the specific way in which the predictions would be fulfilled", yeah, the author thus speaks like the man who was talking with the woman in Genesis 3:1-7, there is not any difference, understand? And the problem was the consequence, understand?:→ Genesis 3:8-11, take a look.

Yeah, the question is that it was GOD who spake by the prophet Isaiah, understand? Isaiah 6:1-9:

1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.

5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts.

6 Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:

7 And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.

8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.

9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

It’s it.

Archangel Michael being the Angel of Jehovah.

 

[Oseas3]

Job 25:6 - 6 How much less man, that is a worm? and the Son of Man, which is a worm?

Psalms 22:6-10

6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.

7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,

8 He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in Him.

9 But thou art He that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.

10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my GOD from my mother's belly.

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Do you think the Scripture above saying son of man is speaking about JESUS? Of course not, never, but about someone like JESUS, exactly the one commented in this topic, this son of man is the rebel son of GOD, Lawful / Legitimate brother of JESUS, His youger brother->Luke 15:21-32, and from whom Isaiah prophesied-Isaiah 7:14-16, combined with Revelation 1:1 and 12-16. This son of man was born something like John the Baptist who was born according to Isaiah 40 and Malachi 4:5-6 and Matthew 11:11-14, the rebel son of GOD has not Genealogy as JESUS has, it because he evidently is not a Jew, understand?

Very hard to interpret this deep mystery of GOD the Father.

Isaiah 7:14 - a virgin shall conceive - Isaiah 9:6 - everlasting Father

Isaiah 7:14 (AV) Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. When I saw the Sovereign Grace Blog, I realized that PBF needed a page on this topic. Added Jan, 2025 Isaiah 9:6 (AV) For unto us a child is...

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[Ascetic X]

IS NOT THE PERSON OF HOLY SPIRIT THE LAWFUL / LEGITIMATE YOUNGER BROTHER OF JESUS? LUKE 15:v.32

1John 5:v.7
There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father-The WORD- , the Word-The Word made flesh-JESUS- , and the Holy Spirit (who is not a ghost as is written in English language, but a Person) : and these three are One.

THREE DIVINE PERSONS
We need to re-estudy our conceptions about the person of Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, mentioned in John 14:v.16 and 26, and I hope he helps to all to know him better, because he is not the own JESUS in His return as some think, no, absolutely no. In fact, he is the third among the three.

Isaiah 42 - The Person of the Holy Spirit -> Younger brother of JESUS??? Ancient of Days??? Michael???

1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth Judgment unto truth.
4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set Judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

5 Thus saith GOD the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
10 Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of the earth, ye that go down to the sea(GENTILE PEOPLES), and all that is therein; the isles(the CHURCHES OF THE LORD WITHIN THE SEA-GENTILE PEOPLES), and the inhabitants thereof.
11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing (the believers in JESUS), let them shout from the top of the mountains->(Micah 4:1, take a look).
12 Let them give glory unto the Lord, and declare His praise in the islands(in the Churches).

13 The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of WAR(Revelation 12:7-12): he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies(Revelation 19:19-21).
14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman;I will destroy and DEVOUR at once(Hebrews 12:29 combined with Isaiah 33:14-15 and Revelation 11:18).
15 I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools.

16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.
Amen

1Corinthians 1:27-31
27 But GOD hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and GOD hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath GOD chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in His presence.
30 But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of GOD is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Genesis 1:16 - Biblical Mysteries ->Proverbs 25:2->It is the glory of GOD to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings(Revelation1:6; 5:10 & 20:6) is to search out a matter.

Around 2000 years ago our Lord JESUS said: My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.-John 5.17. According Biblical Chronology JESUS came here around 4000 years after Adam, so it still was the the END of the fourth GOD's Day.
Genesis 1:16- And GOD made two great lights; the Greater Light to rule the day(1Thessalonians 5:3-5 and 8-11), and the Lesser light to rule the night: He made the stars also->DANIEL 12:3.

First GOD the Father provided (MADE) the Greater Light-> Then JESUS came and said: I am the Light of the WORLD (like the Sun): he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life(like the Sun; the Sun also is life).

AND THE LESSER LIGHT: The Lesser light is the person of the Holy Spirit-Isaiah 42:1-14 (like the moon receives the light from the Sun, the person of the Holy Spirit receives light from the Greater Light-JESUS- to reflect His light-John 15:26 mainly combined with John 16:12-15. I am writting this by Him.

And our GOD made also the STARS. About the STARS made by our Lord GOD, the prophet Daniel prophesied, saying: Daniel 12: 3
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the STARS for ever and ever.
MAINLY IN THIS CURRENT TIME of APOCALYPSE, this prophecy MUST LITERALLLY be fulfilled: Daniel 12:1-2
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people(would not be HE the person of the Holy Spirit, the Ancient of days, the younger brother of JESUS? This is a good question): and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time(Matthew 24:15-15): and at that time(the current time) thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book(Revelation 7:1-8).

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life (1Thessalonians 4:16-17), and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Again: And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the STARS for ever and ever. -->Daniel 12:10-> Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried(Revelation 19:9&8); but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. Aleluia.

IS NOT THE PERSON OF HOLY SPIRIT THE LAWFUL / LEGITIMATE YOUNGER BROTHER OF JESUS? LUKE 15:v.32

Glad despite the desperate situation that Ruth and her mother in law Naomi were in, it turned out to be a blessing in disguise in meeting Boaz and having a son named Obed, father of Jesse, whom in return was the father of David. Greetings in Christ JESUS Amen, JPPT Thank you for your post, and...

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Completely false. You hijacked this thread on the prodigal son to use human imagination to dream up goofy fantasies not based on scripture.

The Holy Spirit is never equated to the archangel Michael, nor is He called the younger brother of Jesus or a second Son of God the Father.

He is the Holy Ghost, for ghostly meant spiritual in King James day.

Holy as in sinless and separated from worldly spirits of deception.

 

[Oseas3]

Completely false. You hijacked this thread on the prodigal son to use human imagination to dream up goofy fantasies not based on scripture.

The Holy Spirit is never equated to the archangel Michael, nor is He called the younger brother of Jesus or a second Son of God the Father.

He is the Holy Ghost, for ghostly meant spiritual in King James day.

Holy as in sinless and separated from worldly spirits of deception.

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself. Your thinking is from human perspective, a stumblingblock, not from GOD's perpective.- Matthew 16:23.

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[Ascetic X]

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself. Your thinking is from human perspective, a stumblingblock, not from GOD's perpective.

Then why do you declare absurdities that are unbiblical, derived from foolish human perspectives, like the Holy Spirit being the younger brother of Jesus? You should actually read the Word of God sometime and base your beliefs on it.

 

[David Lamb]

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself. Your thinking is from human perspective, a stumblingblock, not from GOD's perpective.- Matthew 16:23.

Fleshy Thinking About Jesus as GOD - posts 3-9

Yes, the word of God does indeed matter. So where does the word of God say anything about the Holy Spirit being the younger brother of Jesus? The bible often refers to Jesus Christ as the only-begotten Son of God. The Son was there in the beginning, as John 1 says. So was the Holy Spirit.