Faith # 6

[Brightfame52]

Well, that's alright. I would just suggest that you do a little more background work in the reformers understanding of free will and what they really meant by it

Spending my time studying the scriptures and Apostles doctrines suffices for me.

 

[Brightfame52]

Believed because ordained to eternal life !


Acts 13:48

48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Believing the Gospel, the word of the Lord is indicative of having been ordained to eternal life before time, when it was promised Titus 1:1-2

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;


2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;


So Jesus makes this profound statement Jn 6:47

47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

Those coming to believe on Him in time, have eternal life , it had been promised them before time in Him and so they had been ordained to it! 20

 

[DaveXR650]

Spending my time studying the scriptures and Apostles doctrines suffices for me.

Still. If you are going to get on a forum and try to explain how all this works I think you would find others work valuable. Your explanations are basically true but what guys like you do who claim to only use scripture is to quote scriptures that fit what you believe - and it is obvious to anyone who has a Bible that you are leaving out nearby verses that don't support what you are saying.

For instance above you use Acts 13:48 to show that those who believe were ordained to do so. True enough. But if you just throw out a verse aren't people going to say "well, what happened to Acts 13:46, which plainly states that the reason some of the people didn't believe was that they had judged themselves unworthy of eternal life". If you don't explain that it just looks like you ripped a verse out of context. One verse does seem to indicate the sovereignty of God but the other one seems to blame the people themselves who refused the message. It requires some further explanation which is why you have commentaries and theology books.

 

[Brightfame52]

Still. If you are going to get on a forum and try to explain how all this works I think you would find others work valuable.

secondarily

 

[Brightfame52]

Can one Christ died for die in unbelief ?

The answer to this question is NO, its not even possible. You see, all for whom Christ lived and died for, He did it as their Surety representative, and so when He Lived for them, obeying Gods Law in their behalf and stead, He did it in Faith, as it is written Heb 11:6

6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Now, did Christ when He Lived as their Surety upon the earth please God with Faith ? The answer is yes Jn 8:29

And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him. He is the author of our faith Heb 12:2 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. Jesus lived by Faith as our Surety, hence all for whom He Lived for have already in Him lived a life of faith which is pleasing to God. That being the case, its not even possible for anyone He was Surety for not to live by Faith. That would contradict His Suretyship Life of Faith for them. Its no more possible for one whom Christ died to not live by faith, as it was not possible for one Adam represented to not live as a unbeliever ! 20