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The Two Surrenders

Anthony Pritchard

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The Two Surrenders: One Saves, One Sanctifies

Lordship Salvation v. Free Grace Theology

Lordship Salvation presents itself as a call to recognize Jesus Christ as both Savior and Lord, insisting that genuine salvation requires not only faith in Christ but also a lifelong commitment to submit to His authority in order to obtain it and maintain it. It teaches that while salvation is granted through faith, that faith must be authenticated by obedience, surrender, perseverance, and visible fruit as conditions of salvation, rather than as the evidence of salvation. Free Grace theology, by contrast, contends that salvation is by grace through faith alone, apart from works, apart from commitment, and apart from any promise of future obedience, because future obedience belongs to sanctification, not salvation. These two systems are not merely different emphases; they are different soteriologies.

The errors of Lordship Salvation arise from collapsing categories that Scripture keeps distinct. It confuses discipleship with salvation, fruit with root, faithfulness with faith, following Christ with believing Christ, sanctification with justification, and conditions of fellowship with conditions of life. In doing so, it transforms the gospel from a divine gift into a human contract. Free Grace theology simply affirms what Scripture affirms: that salvation is a gift, that a gift is received rather than earned, that faith is persuasion rather than performance, that justification is apart from works, that eternal life is given at the moment of belief, that discipleship is costly while salvation is free, that rewards differ but salvation does not, and that fellowship can be broken while sonship cannot. Free Grace theology is not “easy-believism.” It is Scriptural doctrine without theological additives.

The central beam of the entire debate is the purpose of the law. Lordship Salvation stands opposed to the fact that the law is a schoolmaster leading us to Christ, teaching us that we are incapable of obedience and must fall upon the free grace of Christ, “from faith to faith.” Paul writes, “Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith” (Galatians 3:24). The law is a schoolmaster, not a co‑savior. Its purpose is not to make us obedient but to make us desperate. The law exposes sin, condemns the sinner, shuts every mouth, stops every excuse, kills self‑confidence, and drives the sinner to Christ. Lordship Salvation reverses this purpose by treating the law as a performance standard for proving salvation rather than a schoolmaster leading to salvation. This is its fundamental category error.

The law teaches incapability, while Lordship Salvation demands capability. Scripture declares that “by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin” (Romans 3:20), that the strength of sin is the law, that Paul had not known sin but by the law, and that the commandment slew him. The law’s message is clear: you cannot obey, you cannot perform, you cannot meet the standard, and you cannot save yourself. Lordship Salvation insists instead that you must obey, you must perform, you must meet the standard, and that your obedience is required as a condition of salvation itself, rather than as the evidence of salvation that Scripture assigns to sanctification. This directly contradicts the law’s purpose.

The law drives us to free grace, not conditional grace. Scripture says salvation is by grace, through faith, not of works, not of yourselves, to him that worketh not, the gift of God, freely by His grace: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast” (Ephesians 2:8–9). Lordship Salvation says salvation is by grace plus commitment, through faith plus surrender, not of works but works prove it, not of yourselves but yourself must show fruit, a gift but the gift must be authenticated by behavior. This is not the gospel of Scripture; it is a hybrid gospel.

Paul’s statement that “For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith” (Romans 1:17) destroys Lordship Salvation. Salvation is not by obedience, surrender, commitment, discipleship, fruit, or perseverance. Those belong to sanctification, not justification. Lordship Salvation merges the two and creates a system in which faith is never enough, Christ’s work is never enough, assurance is never enough, and the gospel is never enough. It becomes salvation by faithfulness rather than salvation by faith.

To understand the difference between salvation and sanctification, one must understand the two surrenders. Repentance in salvation is surrender, but only in the act of believing the gospel. When Paul says God “now commandeth all men every where to repent” (Acts 17:30), he is not commanding lifelong obedience, commitment to discipleship, promises of future faithfulness, or submission of every area of life to Christ’s lordship to achieve salvation. He is commanding a change of mind, the abandonment of self‑trust, and a turning to Christ alone. This is surrender, but it is soteriological surrender, not discipleship surrender. It is the surrender of self‑righteousness, self‑ability, self‑confidence, and self‑salvation.

Repentance in salvation is obedience, but only in the moment of conversion. It is obedience to the gospel command, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved” (Acts 16:31). It is the one act of obedience that receives life, not the ongoing obedience that proves life. Lordship Salvation confuses these categories by teaching obedience in salvation, obedience for salvation, obedience as salvation, and obedience to validate salvation. Scripture teaches obedience in repentance, obedience in believing, obedience in receiving the gift, and obedience in responding to the gospel. After salvation, obedience belongs to growth, discipleship, fellowship, reward, and sanctification, never to salvation itself.

Repentance in salvation is surrender to Christ, not surrender to performance. The sinner surrenders to Christ’s righteousness, Christ’s blood, Christ’s finished work, Christ’s ability, and Christ’s grace. He does not surrender to a lifelong performance contract, a discipleship checklist, a behavioral standard, a fruit quota, or a commitment oath. These belong to sanctification, not salvation. Lordship Salvation adds these things to repentance and calls it “saving faith,” but Scripture never does.

Repentance in salvation is once‑for‑all, not lifelong, because any repentance after salvation belongs to sanctification, not salvation. Salvation requires a single, decisive turning to Christ; sanctification involves ongoing turning, correction, and growth in the Christian life. When repentance after salvation is moved into the salvation category, the gospel is distorted and assurance is destroyed. Repentance in salvation is punctiliar, decisive, instantaneous, and completed at conversion. It is not progressive, ongoing, repeated, maintained, or measured to obtain or maintain salvation. Lordship Salvation treats repentance as a lifelong posture, which is why it makes perseverance a condition of salvation. But Scripture says, “Ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you” (Romans 6:17). Past tense. Completed. Finished.

In Closing

Salvation and sanctification must never be confused, for Scripture never confuses them. And the surrender involved in salvation must not be confused with the surrender involved in sanctification, for Scripture presents two distinct surrenders. The first surrender is the once‑for‑all turning of the sinner to Christ in repentance and faith, completed at conversion and never repeated. The second surrender is the lifelong yielding of the believer to Christ in growth, obedience, and discipleship. When these two surrenders are merged, salvation becomes a process, assurance becomes impossible, and grace is redefined as performance. When they are kept distinct, salvation remains the free gift of God, and sanctification remains the fruit of the life He has already given.

Salvation gives life; sanctification shapes it. Salvation rests on Christ’s obedience; sanctification responds to it. Only when these remain separate does grace remain grace.


~Tony

© A.K. Pritchard 2026 -

Free to use with proper attribution
 
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Ascetic X

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Repentance in salvation is once‑for‑all, not lifelong, because any repentance after salvation belongs to sanctification, not salvation. Salvation requires a single, decisive turning to Christ; sanctification involves ongoing turning, correction, and growth in the Christian life. When repentance after salvation is moved into the salvation category, the gospel is distorted and assurance is destroyed. Repentance in salvation is punctiliar, decisive, instantaneous, and completed at conversion. It is not progressive, ongoing, repeated, maintained, or measured to obtain or maintain salvation. Lordship Salvation treats repentance as a lifelong posture, which is why it makes perseverance a condition of salvation. But Scripture says, “Ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you” (Romans 6:17). Past tense. Completed. Finished.

Salvation and sanctification must never be confused, for Scripture never confuses them. And the surrender involved in salvation must not be confused with the surrender involved in sanctification, for Scripture presents two distinct surrenders. The first surrender is the once‑for‑all turning of the sinner to Christ in repentance and faith, completed at conversion and never repeated. The second surrender is the lifelong yielding of the believer to Christ in growth, obedience, and discipleship. When these two surrenders are merged, salvation becomes a process, assurance becomes impossible, and grace is redefined as performance. When they are kept distinct, salvation remains the free gift of God, and sanctification remains the fruit of the life He has already given.

Salvation gives life; sanctification shapes it. Salvation rests on Christ’s obedience; sanctification responds to it.
You seem to confuse evidence of salvation with performance-based salvation.

Yes, we are saved by faith not works. But faith without works is dead. If faith is just mental assent to a creed, it is not salvation.

Repenting is ongoing, every time we sin, but not for salvation. Ongoing repentance is for maintaining fellowship with God.

If we inspect our life, and see no evidence of obedience, no fruit from the new birth, no results stemming from inner holiness, if we see a lot of sinning, then we should question if we really got saved when we prayed for Jesus to come into our heart.



2 Corinthians 13:5

Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?



Matthew 7

17Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.

18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.

19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

20So then, by their fruit you will recognize them.

21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’

23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’
 

JonC

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It seems that there are two very different definitions people use for "Lordship Salvation". One definition is used by those who oppose the idea and another by those who hold the position.

Reading comments from those who oppose "Lordship Salvation" it is basically a works-based salvation that assumes one must bear fruit to be saved.

But reading comments from those who hold "Lordship Salvation" it is being "in Christ" (His "lordship") that results in one bearing fruit (along the lines of "not I but Christ in me").

Strangely enough, I often agree with the anti-Lordship guys and the Lordship guys. It seems they oftem say the same thing but work off different definitions.

Note: I know there are outliers on both sides, which I am excluding (normal meaning rule).
 

Anthony Pritchard

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Ascetic, thank you, you actually restated my position without realizing it. You said:

“Repenting is ongoing, every time we sin, but not for salvation. Ongoing repentance is for maintaining fellowship with God.”
That is exactly what I wrote. Repentance after salvation belongs to sanctification, not salvation.

The confusion comes from merging two categories Scripture keeps distinct:

  1. Repentance unto life (Acts 11:18) — once‑for‑all, at conversion.
  2. Repentance in fellowship — ongoing, throughout the Christian life.
James speaks of evidence, not conditions. Paul speaks of assurance, not verification. Jesus speaks of false prophets, not believers losing salvation.

When evidence is turned into a condition, salvation becomes a process, assurance becomes impossible, and grace becomes performance. Scripture never does that.

Salvation gives life. Sanctification shapes it. The two must never be merged.
 

Anthony Pritchard

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Since there seems to be confusion about what “Lordship Salvation” actually teaches, here are definitions from the men who promote it, in their own words.

John MacArthur:
“Salvation is a lifelong process…”

Paul Washer: “A person who does not live a life of obedience is not a Christian.”

R.C. Sproul: “Justification and sanctification are inseparable. If sanctification is absent, justification is absent.”

John Piper: “Final salvation is conditional upon the transformation of life.”

Summary (from their own statements): Lordship Salvation teaches that obedience, surrender, perseverance, and visible fruit are conditions of salvation itself, not merely the results of salvation. That is the definition I am addressing.
 

Van

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We should be wary of definitions of doctrines provided by opponents.

Does "Lordship Salvation" say if we backslide, we are no longer saved. That our salvation depends of us?

When we put our faith, devotion and trust in Christ, we commit to making Him lord of our life. That commitment must be genuine, for only if the Lord credits our faith as righteousness, will He transfer us into Christ spiritually, and cause us to be born anew, eternally sinless.

Once saved, always saved.

But what about those who seem to commit to Christ, say all the right things, yet fall away like the second and third soils of Matthew 13? God did not credit their faith as righteousness, and transfer them into Christ.

Is it possible for a born anew believer to become disabused with Christ and stop believing in Him? Nope. Our faith is protected by the power of God. But we can backslide, grow cold and quench (to a decree) our indwelt Spirit. And we can physically die in that backslidden state. It does not matter, once actually saved, we are eternally saved.

The fly in the buttermilk is many a professing Christian may not actually be born anew.
 

Van

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Salvation has three facets, Positional Sanctification, where God transfers the person's spirit into Christ. When and if this occurs, we are saved forever.

Progressive Sanctification where we strive to follow Christ as our Lord, and earn rewards if our ministry yields eternal results - contributes to the saving of souls.

Ultimate Sanctification, where we meet Christ in the air in our glorified bodies.
 

Anthony Pritchard

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Does "Lordship Salvation" say if we backslide, we are no longer saved. That our salvation depends of us?
No.
The fly in the buttermilk is many a professing Christian may not actually be born anew.
Van, I agree with you that many, if not the majority, of professing Christians were never born anew; the point I’m making is that Lordship Salvation goes further by making obedience, fruit, and perseverance conditions of salvation itself, not merely evidences of it.
 

Ascetic X

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Summary (from their own statements): Lordship Salvation teaches that obedience, surrender, perseverance, and visible fruit are conditions of salvation itself, not merely the results of salvation. That is the definition I am addressing.
What rings true to me is “If Jesus is not your Lord, then He’s not your Savior.”

Confessing must mean more than just flippantly saying that Jesus is Lord.

Back in the first century, confessing Jesus as Lord could get you executed.

So it is a thought provoking situation.

If you confess Jesus is Lord, and believe God raised Him from the dead, and trust in His sacrifice on the cross for your sins, and you are extremely sincere and full of zeal, but later backslide into various sinful behaviors, does this mean your earlier enthusiasm and devotion was not real, you just thought it was?

But let’s say still later, you loathe your backsliding, and convicted of your foolishness and sin, you try to return to your original commitment.

I guess if you end up devout and reverent, your original salvation experience was genuine.

Romans 10

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
 

DaveXR650

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It seems that there are two very different definitions people use for "Lordship Salvation". One definition is used by those who oppose the idea and another by those who hold the position.
This is true. Part of the problem is a "soul winning" methodology that went too far in that quite a few people repeated a prayer or assented to a set of propositions, were told they were saved, and then never heard from again. If they do attend church the pastors spend years trying to convince them to actually live like a Christian.

MacArthur, and Paul Washer, saw that and that was the specific problem they were addressing. They were immediately accused of legalism, preaching a Roman Catholic confusion of justification by faith plus works. Richard Baxter saw this too, not from faulty soul winning but from the belief that since you were saved and one of the elect you could ignore following Christ or fighting sin. He probably did go to far, at least for a while, in mixing faith and works, but the problem he noticed was real.
 

DaveXR650

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the point I’m making is that Lordship Salvation goes further by making obedience, fruit, and perseverance conditions of salvation itself, not merely evidences of it.
You should provide references for that. I think most advocates of Lordship salvation go to great lengths to make sure that it is understood that they are not saying that. But in the course of writing a book, some of the statements may be unclear. MacArthur put out edited versions of some of his books because of that reason.

I mean let's face it. Most serious Calvinists won't even say faith is a "condition" of salvation without going to great lengths to explain that it is actually more of a response to the Holy Spirit's work than a true condition and it can only be considered a condition in that it is always there when someone is saved. And, there are so many ways of defining saving faith. Some definitions do indeed include at least a desire obey and follow Christ while others say no, that will occur later.
 

Anthony Pritchard

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Confessing must mean more than just flippantly saying that Jesus is Lord.
Agreed. I think the first thing we see in being "born again" is this: "As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:" 1 Peter 2:2. A newborn will always hunger and desire the milk, so it is with a newly born again, if there is no hunger, well that is a tell, a danger sign.
 

Anthony Pritchard

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You should provide references for that. I think most advocates of Lordship salvation go to great lengths to make sure that it is understood that they are not saying that. But in the course of writing a book, some of the statements may be unclear. MacArthur put out edited versions of some of his books because of that reason.

I mean let's face it. Most serious Calvinists won't even say faith is a "condition" of salvation without going to great lengths to explain that it is actually more of a response to the Holy Spirit's work than a true condition and it can only be considered a condition in that it is always there when someone is saved. And, there are so many ways of defining saving faith. Some definitions do indeed include at least a desire obey and follow Christ while others say no, that will occur later.
I did. I quoted MacArthur, Sproul, Piper, and Washer using their own words. Each of them explicitly states that obedience, fruit, and perseverance are conditions of salvation itself, not merely the results of salvation. That is the point I’m addressing.
 

DaveXR650

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I did. I quoted MacArthur, Sproul, Piper, and Washer using their own words. Each of them explicitly states that obedience, fruit, and perseverance are conditions of salvation itself, not merely the results of salvation. That is the point I’m addressing.
If you are referring to this:
John MacArthur: “Salvation is a lifelong process…”

Paul Washer: “A person who does not live a life of obedience is not a Christian.”

R.C. Sproul: “Justification and sanctification are inseparable. If sanctification is absent, justification is absent.”

John Piper: “Final salvation is conditional upon the transformation of life.”
Then no. That is not what they are saying at all. First of all. "Salvation" is a life long process. It includes justification, sanctification and glorification. A "born again" person who does not have some king of a holy walk (sanctification), is not a Christian. And Piper is right in that final "salvation" is conditional and when he says conditional he means that a transformed life must be there. You are flat out wrong in your assessment of this. The idea that one can claim Christ as savior and refuse to have him as Lord is outrageous.
 

Anthony Pritchard

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If you are referring to this:

Then no. That is not what they are saying at all. First of all. "Salvation" is a life long process. It includes justification, sanctification and glorification. A "born again" person who does not have some king of a holy walk (sanctification), is not a Christian. And Piper is right in that final "salvation" is conditional and when he says conditional he means that a transformed life must be there. You are flat out wrong in your assessment of this. The idea that one can claim Christ as savior and refuse to have him as Lord is outrageous.
You’re proving my point. You agree that obedience, fruit, and perseverance are required for final salvation. That is exactly what I said Lordship Salvation teaches.
 

SovereignGrace

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You’re proving my point. You agree that obedience, fruit, and perseverance are required for final salvation. That is exactly what I said Lordship Salvation teaches.
So, we can live

1) lives of disobedience and then hear "well done, My good and faithful servant"
2) show no signs of a Christian living on earth
3) continually fall away from the faith when times of persecution happen

????
 

Anthony Pritchard

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So, we can live

1) lives of disobedience and then hear "well done, My good and faithful servant"
2) show no signs of a Christian living on earth
3) continually fall away from the faith when times of persecution happen
I understand you’re presenting these three as hypothetical scenarios::
  1. a life of disobedience ending in “well done, good and faithful servant,”
  2. no signs of Christian living on earth,
  3. continual falling away under pressure.
No. Scripture does not support that picture.

Genuine salvation produces real Christianity. The very first evidence of being “born again” is spiritual hunger:

“As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby.” (1 Peter 2:2)
A newborn always hungers. If there is no hunger, that is a tell, a danger sign. Regeneration creates desire, not indifference.

Second, regarding disobedience: Scripture teaches the principle of chastisement. God deals with His true children as sons. Persistent disobedience is not ignored; it is corrected, disciplined, and,if necessary, ended by God taking the believer out of this life. I wrote on this in Kept By Chastisement: https://www.baptistboard.com/threads/kept-by-chastisement.136009/

So no, the Bible does not present a salvation that is fruitless, lifeless, or collapses under pressure. Nor does it present a salvation that allows a man to live in rebellion and then hear “well done.” Regeneration produces life, desire, growth, and, when needed, chastisement.
 

SovereignGrace

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While they were listening to these things, Jesus went on to tell a parable, because He was near Jerusalem, and they supposed that the kingdom of God was going to appear immediately. So He said, “A nobleman went to a distant country to receive a kingdom for himself, and then return. And he called ten of his slaves, and gave them ten minas and said to them, Do business with this until I come back. But his citizens hated him and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We do not want this man to reign over us.’ When he returned, after receiving the kingdom, he ordered that these slaves, to whom he had given the money, be called to him so that he might know what business they had done. The first appeared, saying, ‘Master, your mina has made ten minas more.’ And he said to him, ‘Well done, good slave, because you have been faithful in a very little thing, you are to be in authority over ten cities.’ The second came, saying, ‘Your mina, master, has made five minas.’ And he said to him also, ‘And you are to be over five cities.’ Another came, saying, ‘Master, here is your mina, which I kept put away in a handkerchief; for I was afraid of you, because you are an exacting man; you take up what you did not lay down and reap what you did not sow.’ He said to him, ‘By your own words I will judge you, you worthless slave. Did you know that I am an exacting man, taking up what I did not lay down and reaping what I did not sow? Then why did you not put my money in the bank, and having come, I would have collected it with interest?’ Then he said to the bystanders, ‘Take the mina away from him and give it to the one who has the ten minas.’ And they said to him, ‘Master, he has ten minas already.’ I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence.”[Luke 19:11-27]

Here we see blessings for disobedience and cursing for disobedience. The theme found all throughout the bible.
 

SovereignGrace

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I understand you’re presenting these three as hypothetical scenarios::
  1. a life of disobedience ending in “well done, good and faithful servant,”
  2. no signs of Christian living on earth,
  3. continual falling away under pressure.
No. Scripture does not support that picture.

Genuine salvation produces real Christianity. The very first evidence of being “born again” is spiritual hunger:


A newborn always hungers. If there is no hunger, that is a tell, a danger sign. Regeneration creates desire, not indifference.

Second, regarding disobedience: Scripture teaches the principle of chastisement. God deals with His true children as sons. Persistent disobedience is not ignored; it is corrected, disciplined, and,if necessary, ended by God taking the believer out of this life. I wrote on this in Kept By Chastisement: https://www.baptistboard.com/threads/kept-by-chastisement.136009/

So no, the Bible does not present a salvation that is fruitless, lifeless, or collapses under pressure. Nor does it present a salvation that allows a man to live in rebellion and then hear “well done.” Regeneration produces life, desire, growth, and, when needed, chastisement.
And I agree with all of this and support Lordship Salvation. So, where do we see disagreement with each other on this?
 
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