Just Wondering? Do you think Catholic Priests Are Saved?

[Novelist]

The reason I ask is that I have attended several Catholic services (or Masses) that were led by five different priests. During their mini sermon or Homilies, I never once heard any one of them give the plan of salvation. They talked about being kind to your neighbor, overcoming trials in your life, and similar things, but I never heard them say anything about repenting of sin, turning to Christ as your Lord and Savior, or about being born again. I believe this would be the perfect opportunity to give the plan of salvation, but I have never heard it from them. This makes me wonder if they are saved or not as I believe that saved person; priest, pastor, deacon, lay person, church member, etc., if they are truly saved would want to see others saved. I believe that is one sign that a person is saved. I think that some Catholic priests are saved, but I also tend to believe that some are not.
Joe

 

[Cathode]

The reason I ask is that I have attended several Catholic services (or Masses) that were led by five different priests. During their mini sermon or Homilies, I never once heard any one of them give the plan of salvation. They talked about being kind to your neighbor, overcoming trials in your life, and similar things, but I never heard them say anything about repenting of sin, turning to Christ as your Lord and Savior, or about being born again. I believe this would be the perfect opportunity to give the plan of salvation, but I have never heard it from them. This makes me wonder if they are saved or not as I believe that saved person; priest, pastor, deacon, lay person, church member, etc., if they are truly saved would want to see others saved. I believe that is one sign that a person is saved. I think that some Catholic priests are saved, but I also tend to believe that some are not.
Joe

Catholics rely on Jesus judgment on whether they are saved or not, not Baptists or anyone else.

 

[Novelist]

Catholics rely on Jesus judgment on whether they are saved or not, not Baptists or anyone else.

Matthew 7: 16-20

 

[Cathode]

Matthew 7: 16-20

By Their Fruit You Will Know Them, yes.

Love and good works.

You are saved at the moment of Faith by Grace, so long as you remain in that Grace.

Faith means ongoing faithfulness, it is not OSAS, which is deadly error.
Who knows how many have been destroyed by the false OSAS idea.

 

[Novelist]

By Their Fruit You Will Know Them, yes.

Love and good works.

You are saved at the moment of Faith by Grace, so long as you remain in that Grace.

Faith means ongoing faithfulness, it is not OSAS, which is deadly error.
Who knows how many have been destroyed by the false OSAS idea.

Where in the Bible does it say that OSAS is false? John 3:16 says that we have eternal life, not temporary life or life until we do something wrong.

 

[Cathode]

Where in the Bible does it say that OSAS is false? John 3:16 says that we have eternal life, not temporary life or life until we do something wrong.

John 15

“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.”

This is where ignorance kills so many souls, OSAS is false.

We must remain in Grace.

We must repent of Mortal sin because it cuts a believer off from saving Grace. It cuts people off from Christ, the source of Grace.

This is why Jesus gave the sacrament for the forgiveness of sin to the Apostles and Church.

If a believer falls, he can confess his sins and be reconciled to God.

 

[rockytopva]

Salvation was meant to be very easy. It was man who complicated such doctrine...

8 The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. - Romans 10

If a Catholic has put his trust in Christ then he is saved.

 

[Novelist]

John 15

“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.”

This is where ignorance kills so many souls, OSAS is false.

We must remain in Grace.

We must repent of Mortal sin because it cuts a believer off from saving Grace. It cuts people off from Christ, the source of Grace.

This is why Jesus gave the sacrament for the forgiveness of sin to the Apostles and Church.

If a believer falls, he can confess his sins and be reconciled to God.

But this does not claim that a person is not always saved if he/she is saved in the first place. There is no such thing as "mortal sin." Sin is sin. There is no distinction between the "kinds" of sin. Sure, a saved person can backslide, but a truly saved person will come back, just like Fred Penner's cat. You have gone way off topic. Can you respond to my original question. Are Catholic priests saved? You seem to be saying that a person can be saved and not really care if anyone else is saved or not. Why don't the priests give the plan of salvation in their short sermons?

 

[Novelist]

Salvation was meant to be very easy. It was man who complicated such doctrine...

8 The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. - Romans 10

If a Catholic has put his trust in Christ then he is saved.

Agreed. Then that saved person, Catholic or not should want others to be saved too.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

Are Catholics saved? | GotQuestions.org

"Are Catholics who adhere to official Catholic beliefs about salvation saved?” The answer is no because they don’t reflect the gospel as Jesus taught it. According to official Catholic teaching, salvation is by God’s grace and involves faith in Christ, yet also requires baptism, participation in the sacraments, especially the Eucharist, and ongoing repentance. Catholic doctrine also teaches that serious (or “mortal”) sin can separate a person from God if it is not repented of. Those who die in a state of grace are believed either to enter heaven immediately or to undergo purification in purgatory before fully entering God’s presence."

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[Cathode]

But this does not claim that a person is not always saved if he/she is saved in the first place. There is no such thing as "mortal sin." Sin is sin. There is no distinction between the "kinds" of sin. Sure, a saved person can backslide, but a truly saved person will come back, just like Fred Penner's cat. You have gone way off topic. Can you respond to my original question. Are Catholic priests saved? You seem to be saying that a person can be saved and not really care if anyone else is saved or not. Why don't the priests give the plan of salvation in their short sermons?

“ If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned”

Jesus is addressing those at one time were attached to Him but do not remain in Him.

Protestantism euphemistically calls it “ backsliding “, Catholics call it what it is, mortal sin.
These sins detach a soul from the vine, you no longer remain in Him if you commit mortal sin.
Jesus put in place the Church’s remedy the ministry of reconciliation, confession, so you can be reconciled as a branch of the vine again.

Catholic priests are like any other Catholic in this regard, salvation is a process not just a singular instant.
It’s about remaining faithfully attached to the vine and bearing its fruit.

 

[Novelist]

“ If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned”

Jesus is addressing those at one time were attached to Him but do not remain in Him.

Protestantism euphemistically calls it “ backsliding “, Catholics call it what it is, mortal sin.
These sins detach a soul from the vine, you no longer remain in Him if you commit mortal sin.
Jesus put in place the Church’s remedy the ministry of reconciliation, confession, so you can be reconciled as a branch of the vine again.

Catholic priests are like any other Catholic in this regard, salvation is a process not just a singular instant.
It’s about remaining faithfully attached to the vine and bearing its fruit.

But the Bible does not say that salvation is a process. It DOES say that it IS a singular instant. But, because Catholics don't believe that the Bible is the one final and undisputable word of God and that other things come in to play such as tradition, church doctrine, the sacrements, etc. then they can disregard Biblical scripture say anything they want and believe anything they want as in their belief Biblical scripture doesn't matter.

 

[Mike B]

Jesus put in place the Church’s remedy the ministry of reconciliation, confession, so you can be reconciled as a branch of the vine again.

Jesus did not put that into place, but the way you suggest, it's up to the the Catholic Church on whether
or not you go to heaven, as without their "ministry of reconciliation", you're doomed.

Underlying it all, the Catholic Church is all about power and control over the people.

 

[Cathode]

But the Bible does not say that salvation is a process. It DOES say that it IS a singular instant.

Not just an instant. The Moment you believe in Jesus by Faith and Grace at that instant you are saved, so long as you remain in Him.

But you must remain in Him, mortal or death sin detaches people from the vine, and the branches wither, die, as Jesus warns.

People no longer in a state of Grace can receive the Apostolic judgement. Whose sins they forgive are forgiven them, and be at peace that they are at rights with God after they fall.

Paul calls it a race.

He who endures to the end will be saved.

Bible is the one final and undisputable word of God and that other things come in to play such as tradition, church doctrine, the sacrements, etc. then they can disregard Biblical scripture say anything they want and believe anything they want as in their belief Biblical scripture doesn't matter.

Yes, the Bible is the Holy Word of God, but Jesus didn’t found Christianity on the Bible, He founded it on the Apostles, Peter specifically.
Before any NT scripture was written, people heard and received the Gospel,
The Spoken Word of God which abides forever.
So scripture alone is ridiculous and false.

We must hold to both the Spoken Word and the written Word together, both traditions as scripture states.

And listen to the Apostolic Church Jesus established to shepherd His flock. That Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth.

 

[Novelist]

Not just an instant. The Moment you believe in Jesus by Faith and Grace at that instant you are saved, so long as you remain in Him.

But you must remain in Him, mortal or death sin detaches people from the vine, and the branches wither, die, as Jesus warns.

People no longer in a state of Grace can receive the Apostolic judgement. Whose sins they forgive are forgiven them, and be at peace that they are at rights with God after they fall.

Paul calls it a race.

He who endures to the end will be saved.



Yes, the Bible is the Holy Word of God, but Jesus didn’t found Christianity on the Bible, He founded it on the Apostles, Peter specifically.
Before any NT scripture was written, people heard and received the Gospel,
The Spoken Word of God which abides forever.
So scripture alone is ridiculous and false.

We must hold to both the Spoken Word and the written Word together, both traditions as scripture states.

And listen to the Apostolic Church Jesus established to shepherd His flock. That Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth.

The first verse in the Book of John states that "In the beginning was the word." The Word, the Holy Scripture existed even before Christ appeared on earth. You believe that scripture alone is "ridiculous and false." Your belief is ridiculous. No wonder that the Catholics have it all wrong if they believe that.

 

[Cathode]

Jesus did not put that into place, but the way you suggest, it's up to the the Catholic Church on whether
or not you go to heaven, as without their "ministry of reconciliation", you're doomed.

Underlying it all, the Catholic Church is all about power and control over the people.

Bible alonism is about power control, each man enshrines his own interpretation of scripture as the only truth.

Protestantism doesn’t fit the Bible’s description of the Church.
Thousands of human traditions founded on conflicting fallible textual criticisms.

 

[Cathode]

The first verse in the Book of John states that "In the beginning was the word." The Word, the Holy Scripture existed even before Christ appeared on earth. You believe that scripture alone is "ridiculous and false." Your belief is ridiculous. No wonder that the Catholics have it all wrong if they believe that.

Jesus is The Word, being referred to here.

 

[Novelist]

Bible alonism is about power control, each man enshrines his own interpretation of scripture as the only truth.

Protestantism doesn’t fit the Bible’s description of the Church.
Thousands of human traditions founded on conflicting fallible textual criticisms.

Catholicism surely doesn't fit the Bible's description of the Church. BTW, I am a Baptist. I am NOT a Protestant.

 

[Novelist]

Jesus is The Word, being referred to here.

I said before Christ appeared on earth. I did not say that he didn't exist before that. Read what is written. You don't understand scripture so why should anyone believe that you understand anything else that is written?

 

[Cathode]

Jesus did not put that into place, but the way you suggest, it's up to the the Catholic Church on whether or not you go to heaven, as without their "ministry of reconciliation", you're doomed.

Jesus established this apostolic ministry, He gave the power to forgive or retain sin to the Church.

This was a great Mercy established by Jesus.

“ back sliders “/ mortal sinners can readily receive forgiveness through Christ’s apostolic ministry.

God is not bound by this ministry, He can and does forgive independently, however mortal sin requires perfect contrition to be forgiven.

Confession to a priest doesn’t require perfect contrition and you receive the reassurance of the apostolic judgment that you are absolved of your sins.