Anthony Pritchard
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Burgon, Scrivener, Pickering, Van Bruggen all acknowledge errors in the KJV and the Textus Receptus. None of those men believed in the additional words @ 1John 5:7. They were Scholars that's why. The additional words in the KJV came from the Latin Vulgate. Over 500 Greek Byzantine Manuscripts don't have the extra words in the KJV. Only 4 do and 4 have it as a marginal reading. Every one of those were under Latin influence. You are a KJV Onlyist. Burgon, Scrivener, Van Bruggen and Pickering are not. You should read those men for yourself.
Big claims, zero citations, and a dump of manuscript numbers.Your claim about Burgon, Scrivener, Pickering, and van Bruggen is demonstrably false.
Burgon Burgon defended the authenticity of the Comma based on patristic and versional evidence. He did not dismiss it as a Vulgate invention.
Scrivener Scrivener included the Comma in his Greek New Testament because of its historical and ecclesiastical presence, even while noting its limited Greek manuscript support. He did not call it an “error.”
Pickering Pickering argued for preservation in the majority text tradition and explicitly stated that Greek manuscript counts alone do not determine authenticity. He did not dismiss the Comma as a Vulgate addition.
van Bruggen Van Bruggen defended the ecclesiastical text and argued that readings with long‑standing church use cannot be dismissed simply because of manuscript statistics. He did not reject the Comma as a Latin corruption.
Your claim is not just unsupported, it is contrary to the published writings of the men you named. And again: you provided no quotes.
Your “Latin Vulgate origin” claim is historically shallow. The Comma appears in:
- Old Latin witnesses
- early patristic citations
- lectionary traditions
- Greek marginal notes reflecting earlier readings
- doctrinal controversies where the verse was cited long before medieval manuscripts
Your “500 manuscripts don’t have it” claim is irrelevant. Manuscript counts do not determine:
- originality
- ecclesiastical use
- doctrinal context
- patristic citation
- transmission stability
- regional continuity
- Mark 16:9–20 would be rejected
- John 7:53–8:11 would be rejected
- dozens of Byzantine readings would be rejected
- the entire Masoretic tradition would collapse
You listed claims about Burgon, Scrivener, Pickering, and van Bruggen without providing any citations from their writings. Each of these men published extensively, and their actual statements do not match the assertions you made. Manuscript lists do not replace documented evidence, nor do they demonstrate Vulgate origin or negate patristic and versional support. If you want to discuss 1 John 5:7, the conversation requires specific quotations from the scholars you named and specific manuscript evidence, not general claims.