Zionism Undermines our Gospel

[JonC]

Lets look at why

Add to that the assassination of the Israeli Prime Minister by the same radical extremist group, egged on by Netananyahu himself.

Well, if we want to be truthful this is only partially correct. The extremist group is very much like the Palestinian government in terms of committing terroristic activities in the name of religion.

That part is true. These extremists also harass Muslims and Christians in Israel (and are arrested when they do such things).

Obviously this is not actions of Israel. It is a small group of zealots. So it is different ftom the Pallestines (the Palestinian government actually encourages and participates in the killing of Jews).

The false part (false propaganda) is that Netananyahu himself encouraged the assassination.

Netananyahu was criticized for fueling a hostile political environment. This is the same as the accusations against Trump, Biden, the GOP, and the DNC.

It is false that Netananyahu encouraged the assassination, that Trump encouraged the riot, that the DNC encouraged the murder of Charlie Kirk.

A differeny topic is what responsibility should people have when they engage in such political rhetoric.

But that can also be extended to individual citizens. You and @asterisktom have engaged in false propaganda designed to increase a hostile political environment rather than deal honestly with facts.

So have most here who participate in the political forum (only for conservative parties).

 

[JonC]

These orthodox Jews disagree.

Yep. The anti-zionist Orthodox Jews (extremists) often clash with the extremist zionist Orthodox Jews in Israel.

But they are not Israel. Most Jews are traditional (Masorti) or secular (Hiloni). They are not Orthodox Jews.

For comparison, arguments here are akin to viewing the US as members of Westboro Baptist Church because the US is identified as "Christian".

Israel is like the US in diversity. Israel has citizens who are extremists, Muslims, Christians, atheists, etc. But most are "nominal" Jews (in terms of religion).

In reality, there is little difference between atheism and the faithfulness of most Jews and Christians. Religion to most in the US and Israel is tradition.

 

[John of Japan]

Thank you. Onslo. Got it

An extermination of a people for their land. To bomb unarmed men women and children. To starve a population trying to drive them from their land.

Not a bad definition, but not completely accurate. The Holocaust and similar efforts at genocide had nothing to do with land, and did not involve bombing people. It was a planned extermination of a targeted people group, the Jews. That is nothing like what Israel has done. Did you read the posts about the actual percentage of Palestinians killed? It was something like 2.6%, which is not an attempt to destroy the Palestinians.

 

[Aaron]

Please if you want to help Jews, bring a peaceful dismantlement of this terrible, Zionist, murdering State. Bring peace in the area. Give back the land for the Palestinians—not a two-state. A two-state will never succeed. Again, I'm coming from the point of the religion, the Jews have no right to rule even one inch of a land. Jews have to stay in Exile until the coming of Messiah, so give back the land from the Palestinians. From The River To The Sea.
If there is a will there is a way. You will find the way how to do it peacefully, and, again, according to the religion, this will happen at the end.
Again, this will happen.
I'm not a prophet, but I'm just saying the words of the Torah. This will happen.

 

[Aaron]

It kinda helps to know the real history of what's going on there.

 

[Aaron]

 

[asterisktom]

Please if you want to help Jews, bring a peaceful dismantlement of this terrible, Zionist, murdering State. Bring peace in the area. Give back the land for the Palestinians—not a two-state. A two-state will never succeed. Again, I'm coming from the point of the religion, the Jews have no right to rule even one inch of a land. Jews have to stay in Exile until the coming of Messiah, so give back the land from the Palestinians. From The River To The Sea.
If there is a will there is a way. You will find the way how to do it peacefully, and, again, according to the religion, this will happen at the end.
Again, this will happen.
I'm not a prophet, but I'm just saying the words of the Torah. This will happen.

I liked this just on the basis of the first few minutes. Not sure if I am going to invest the hour and a half for the whole video.

 

[asterisktom]

I can't understand how Christians can look at some of the footage here of the land obliterated and then soften it with, "Well, only 2.5% were killed". Do they not have eyes? Do they think this is CG?

They are so invested in their fiction of Israel being God's special people. It goes beyond cognitive dissonance.

 

[Salty]

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