Are Freewill and Predestination Compatable?

[th1bill]

I see free will and predestination as a multidimensional issue that we can't comprehend with our limited dimensional minds.

They resemble two parallel lines that, by their very nature, cannot intersect if they are to stay parallel. This holds true in a two-dimensional context. However, in a three-dimensional space, there are instances where two parallel lines can intersect while still being parallel.

Since God's understanding surpasses ours, everything aligns in His perspective, even if it doesn't quite make sense to us.

I guess you read the OP but it seems not. I agree and I disagree. He has created for us to dwell in. For Him to have created this He was located elsewhere. Now to believe the recorded sayings/thoughts of such a being who has been repeatedly proven correct for some 6,000 years seems to make good sense.

YHWH spells it out in His record of events that he knows the beginning from the end of our time on Earth. Elohim has recorded for us that He wrote the names of the saved in His Book of Life before we were born. That is Predestination!

In the same manuscript, the Bible, He records that He is not some cosmic bully forcing some to live in Heaven while, a guess, 97% wait for Judgement in Hell before spending Eternity, alone, in darkness in the Lake of Fire.

With our Elohime the two lines, predestination and free-will, crossed before He created Adam. Does Elohime explain this in detail anywhere? I must admit He did not but why would He? For salvation He requires Faith. Not reams of critical data, just simple faith.

 

[th1bill]

Indeed, yet there are different views of many scriptures per denomination.

Never implied or said there was not more than the material matters of this universe.

Paul was taken to the third heaven - The Book of Enoch speaks of many different heavens - the Lost Books of the Bible/The Forgotten Books of Eden speaks of 12 different heavens.

Man can only see or go so far as God intended

There are no lost books of the Bible. The books you mention did not meet the Cannon because they disagree with known scripture. It is a lie loved by the Devil that they were lost.

 

[Mike B]

YHWH spells it out in His record of events that he knows the beginning from the end of our time on Earth. Elohim has recorded for us that He wrote the names of the saved in His Book of Life before we were born. That is Predestination!

Not choosing a side here, but do have disagreement with this statement.

In God's Omniscience, He can see time, both ways, and by looking ahead He can see who chooses Christ,
and who doesn't, and He writes down the names of the saved in the Book of Life. This does not mean
He predestinated those souls for salvation, but yes, He does know who will follow the Lord Jesus Christ
and be saved.

If a person could look ahead two hours, they could see who wins the Super Bowl. They would know
who wins before the game ever started; but they did absolutely nothing to help the winning team.

Foreknowledge does not equate to election or predestination.

That said, the other side of the coin is Eph. 1:4-5.

 

[Kai]

I guess you read the OP but it seems not. I agree and I disagree.

I have, brother. While I know that not everyone may agree my perspective, I believe that it’s wiser to accept these matters as a mystery rather than to diminish God’s sovereignty at the expense of man’s free will. I’ve shared several posts in this thread trying my best to provide a balanced view.

With our Elohime the two lines, predestination and free-will, crossed before He created Adam. Does Elohime explain this in detail anywhere? I must admit He did not but why would He? For salvation He requires Faith. Not reams of critical data, just simple faith.

The analogy of the two lines was intended as a philosophical exploration of how predestination and free will can coexist, rather than indicating two separate entities. I agree that that is needed is faith, and there's no need to make things more complicated than that.

 

[Mike B]

...................................... and there's no need to make things more complicated than that.

AMEN!