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Who is running in 2028 for POTUS
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Foxmeister
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Clinton achieved those budget surpluses with a Republican majority in Congress. Clinton had Dick Morris as his political advisor. Morris advised him to take a more moderate approach on issues and used public opinion polls to convince Clinton on what legislation to support.
The money Musk said DOGE saved the taxpayers was according to the Congressional Budget Office were greatly over-exaggerated. The largest budget reductions came from cutting down the payroll in government departments. In fact, some of these cuts actually hurt departments like the IRS and USDA. They had to rehire many of those cut back. DOGE was eliminated by the end of 2025/early 2026. It was nothing more than a dog and pony show Trump put on for the American people to convince them he was doing a fantastic job reducing spending. In reality, spending under Trump increased and to date in this term has increased the national debt by $3.83 trillion.
Foxmeister
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Rubio would also lose for his close association with Trump. I think most Republican Senators or members of the House would face the same fate. It would have to be a Republican who isn't currently in Congress or part of the Trump administration who would have the best chance at winning. I think at this time, DeSantis would be a great candidate. I wouldn't rule out Nikki Haley either. We could see a DeSantis/Haley ticket.
Foxmeister
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You can thank Dick Morris, Clinton's political advisor.
You can thank Newt with his “Contract With America’ that yanked Billary from their leftist agenda to the center.
KenH
Well-Known Member
There were no surpluses. The national debt continued to increase each year.
| End of Fiscal Year | Debt (in Billions, Rounded) |
| 1991 | $3,665 | |
| 1992 | $4,065 | |
| 1993 | $4,411 | |
| 1994 | $4,693 | |
| 1995 | $4,974 | |
| 1996 | $5,225 | |
| 1997 | $5,413 | |
| 1998 | $5,526 | |
| 1999 | $5,656 | |
| 2000 | $5,674 | |
| 2001 | $5,807 | |
| 2002 | $6,228 |
If one looks at this chart, the last fiscal year that the national debt did not increase was 1957 - https://www.investopedia.com/us-national-debt-by-year-7499291
Apparently, this website stopped updating the national debt amount somewhere in the middle of fiscal year 2025. One can also find the national debt as published by the U.S. Treasury at https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/datasets/debt-to-the-penny/debt-to-the-penny
Here is my spreadsheet based on the U.S. Treasury numbers starting at September 30, 1999:
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KenH
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To update the numbers to November 3, 2026, the national debt is now $40.547 trillion, which is an increase of $376 billion over the first 34 days of the 2027 fiscal year. If the total increase for the first 34 days is extrapolated all the way to the end of the fiscal year on September 30, 2027, the total increase in the national debt would end up being $4.032 trillion.
Ben1445
Well-Known Member
It would be interesting to see how the numbers compare adjusted for inflation.
(Ignoring for a moment what part they have in the cause of it)
KenH
Well-Known Member
Here ya go, you can put the end year in the "If in" box and the beginning year in the "then in" box: Inflation Calculator | Find US Dollar's Value From 1913-2026
For instance, $1.00 in 2000 is worth $.51 in 2026.
Another way to state that is that if it took $1.00 to buy an item in 2000, in 2026 it takes $1.96.
Kai
Active Member
I don't believe the method of getting something done is all that important, as long as it gets done.
As far as I can tell, Mr. Trump has not prioritized balancing the budget in either one of his terms. You might argue that he tried to do something about it through his use of tariffs, but we saw how that all played out in the SCOTUS.
The reality is that there hasn't been a sincere, bipartisan effort to tackle our rapidly increasing debt in decades, and we're all going to pay for it one day.
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Thomas Massie - Wikipedia
Actually, I dont think most people are concerned with the National debt when they vote
They should be - but it a sense it does not affect them personally.
They were more concerned about not be able to buy soda and candy with food stamps.
They were more concentered with illegal aliens being kicked of the country of the free.
They were more concerned with things Trump did 40 years ago.....
and the list goes on.
They should be - but it a sense it does not affect them personally.
They were more concerned about not be able to buy soda and candy with food stamps.
They were more concentered with illegal aliens being kicked of the country of the free.
They were more concerned with things Trump did 40 years ago.....
and the list goes on.
KenH
Well-Known Member
There is a new party attempting to get off the ground, Salty. Maybe you would be interested in it. I am following it with curiosity at this point.
AMERICAN LIBERTY PARTY
americanlibertyparty.com
KenH
Well-Known Member
@Salty
From the ALP's website section entitled, "Recruit Massie!":
Congressman Thomas Massie has never fit neatly into Washington’s political boxes. An MIT-educated inventor and entrepreneur, Massie developed groundbreaking technology before entering politics. Today, he lives on a self-built, solar-powered homestead in Kentucky, where he raises cattle and champions independent American farmers through legislation like the PRIME Act.
In Congress, that same independence has defined his record. His unwavering adherence to principle challenged runaway spending, opposed reckless wars, defended constitutional liberties, and consistently pushed back against the excesses of Washington—even when it meant defying his own party. Most notably, he helped lead the bipartisan fight to release the Epstein files, demanding transparency and accountability from some of the nation’s most powerful institutions. Essentially, Thomas Massie does what the establishment campaigns on.
What makes Massie’s position in American politics unusual is not that he’s found the middle ground, but that Americans from opposing political traditions have found common ground in him. For that reason, the emerging coalition of the ALP would like to see Thomas Massie run for president
From the ALP's website section entitled, "Recruit Massie!":
Congressman Thomas Massie has never fit neatly into Washington’s political boxes. An MIT-educated inventor and entrepreneur, Massie developed groundbreaking technology before entering politics. Today, he lives on a self-built, solar-powered homestead in Kentucky, where he raises cattle and champions independent American farmers through legislation like the PRIME Act.
In Congress, that same independence has defined his record. His unwavering adherence to principle challenged runaway spending, opposed reckless wars, defended constitutional liberties, and consistently pushed back against the excesses of Washington—even when it meant defying his own party. Most notably, he helped lead the bipartisan fight to release the Epstein files, demanding transparency and accountability from some of the nation’s most powerful institutions. Essentially, Thomas Massie does what the establishment campaigns on.
What makes Massie’s position in American politics unusual is not that he’s found the middle ground, but that Americans from opposing political traditions have found common ground in him. For that reason, the emerging coalition of the ALP would like to see Thomas Massie run for president
Foxmeister
Well-Known Member
The years are 1998-2001 there was as unified budget surplus. When President Clinton announced a budget surplus, it meant that the general government's revenue combined with the massive Social Security tax haul was greater than total federal spending. However, because the general fund was continuously taking Social Security's cash and replacing it with new government bonds, the Intragovernmental Debt grew faster than the Public Debt was paid off.
Foxmeister
Well-Known Member
Let me explain this. The Republicans took the majorities because of the Contract With America. When the Republicans began promoting bills such as welfare reform and budget cuts, Morris ran polls on them. If the polls showed the majority of voters wanted these bills passed, Morris insisted the president endorse them and sign them into law. Clinton was all about keeping his approval numbers up. Morris was a Republican Clinton trusted as an advisor. When Morris left, Clinton continued to pay close attention to the polls. Newt was great at handling the news media to promote upcoming legislation.
KenH
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The national government can classify money from one pile to another pile. The bottom line is that the national debt continued to increase.