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You do have a rather odd understanding of what free will is. What did you find wrong with the one I gave you? Free will: is the capacity for agents to choose between different possible courses of action (aka choosing “otherwise”). This does not require the person to be able to choose...

I would be more inclined to call all translations just that translations of the inspired word of God. The original autographs were inspired not the translations. The translations no matter how accurately done still contain errors as the KJV's various editions will attest to. I think we have...

Free will: is the capacity for agents to choose between different possible courses of action (aka choosing “otherwise”). This does not require the person to be able to choose anything, nor does it require the absence of other influencing factors. It only requires the ability for a person...

BF you are looking at scripture through your Calvinist glasses again. You need the bible to conform to your manmade theology. It does not. The bible is clear that God loves the whole world and wants all to come to repentance. The reality is that not all will as some just want to do what they...

Here I have to differ with you Dave. Scripture is quite clear that God has given all the equal chance to know Him and be saved. Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. Joh 3:17 For God did...

Actually you did not answer the question but you did try to deflect around it. The question. Was there any possibility of those not picked out prior to creation of being saved? That refers to the so called Calvinist view of some are elect before creation which you should have know or...

I agree that only God can and does save. For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, Eph 2:8 The Calvinist has those so called "elect" prior to creation saved through election not by grace through faith as the bible says. And you...

That is true of Christ but it does not hold for your Calvinist "elect" prior to creation. Christ was physical whereas salvation in spiritual. The issue is that according to your Calvinism those that were "elected" were guaranteed to be in heaven. Is that not what you and Martin have said? So...

David my answer was regarding the Calvinist view where how one of the "elect" lived really does not matter as according to Calvinism those picked out prior to creation CANNOT be lost they will be in heaven no matter what they do. Actually it is 7 of the 8 are in the NT. If we look at Rev 17:8...

David when the Calvinists say that those "elected" prior to creation cannot be lost that is saying that they are already saved. Under the Calvinist view if someone was not picked out prior to creation then they are lost and will go to hell. Conversely if someone is of your Calvinist "elect" then...

I know what the bible says but that was not the question? How do you Calvinist's answer the question? Was there any possibility of those not picked out prior to creation of being saved?

I quote you your own words "Of course 'elect before creation' means that those God chooses can never be lost. Why on earth would you think I don't believe that?" and yet you say I do not know what you believe. You do not seem able to grasp the truth that if you cannot be lost than you are saved...

Martin I know what the bible says regarding one's salvation and I have even pointed that out to various Calvinists. Where you drop the ball is when you say because you were "elect" before the foundation of the world then you could not be lost and yet you say that does not mean you were saved...

Actually it is not meaningless. If one thinks they can never be lost, as you say, then how they live becomes meaningless. Being saved is not a technicality. One is either saved or they are not. But lets look at this for the other direction, could those who did not have their name in the book...

You did not answer the question David. But then again neither did Martin. You are both ignoring the elephant in the room. If according to Calvinism someone is not picked out prior to creation then it is impossible for them to be saved. And you have both said that those picked out prior to...