Music and Meat

Au contraire, Larry. The "yellow" example has EVERYTHING to do with the issue at hand. Simply substitute the words "color yellow" with CERTAIN MUSIC STYLES. Now do you get it?

Here's the original "yellow" post:
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It has been determined that the color yellow is evil. So many of the darker criminals and societal menaces wear the color yellow. In fact, some people have reported that the color yellow makes them want to do evil things. Therefore, the color yellow is evil.

Get it?

Originally posted by Pastor Larry:
Do you deny that music communicates emotions?

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People communicate emotions. Music can only act as a medium to express or convey emotion.

Music is further limited by the fact that is is not in and of itself emotion. Emotion exists in the heart and nowhere else.

Originally posted by Pastor Larry:
Do you deny that some emotions are sinful?

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Yes.

Now you will innevitably slap the modifier "unrighteous" in front of anger and tell me music can communicate that.


Let's clear up any misunderstanding. I don't believe music can communicate or convey emotion directed at evil.

Originally posted by Pastor Larry:
Music communicates at the level of emotion, not at the level of proposition. I have already mentioned that.

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But unrighteous emotion is by definition a proposition. It is directed at something other than holy affection or knowledge.

Dear Pastor Larry,

Taking the "yellow is evil" arguement into real life applications:

The "Bloods" and the "Crips" gangs use red bandanas (Bloods) and blue bandanas (Crips) to identify with their respective gangs. Suge Knight,president of Death Row Records,wears red to proclaim his allegiance to the "Bloods".

Same thing with motorcycle gang "colors":
(Pagans,Scorpions,Warlocks,Hell's Angels,etc.).

Are the "colors" evil or the people who misuse them ?

My wife works as a dispensary nurse in the state prison here in Maryland. She does not wear nail polish on the job because some of the colors and various shades of colors are what prostitutes wear. And in that criminal world ( street and prison),my wife's wearing of certain nail polish would make her a "prostitute" in their minds. Also in the women's prison, the nail polish has some "special meanings" to the lesbians there.

Again,is the nail polish evil or the criminal?

In Christ,

Dale

Hang on folks. I may have discovered "evil yellow." I am hoping that I can get photobucket to cooperate...

[ September 27, 2005, 02:51 PM: Message edited by: Daniel ]

Why are some people so afraid of their emotions ?

If we are truly renewed by the the Holy Spirit and our natures are being more conformed to Christ's, why worry about music's affects on the emotions ?

That's not a Christian teaching,but pagan Greek dualism (The sprit is good and the body((flesh))is evil).

Read Colossians 2:6-23:

Col 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, [so] walk ye in him:


Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.


Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.


Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:


Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:


Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.


Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;


Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;


Col 2:15 [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.


Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:


Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.


Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,


Col 2:19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.


Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;


Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?

Col 2:23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

Ephesians 4:14: " That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;"

And Galatians 5:16-26:

Gal 5:16 [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.


Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.


Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.


Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,


Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,


Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,


Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.


Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.


Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.


Gal 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

'Nuff said!

In Christ,

Dale

Originally posted by Daniel:
URGENT BULLETIN:

It has been determined that the color yellow is evil. So many of the darker criminals and societal menaces wear the color yellow. In fact, some people have reported that the color yellow makes them want to do evil things. Therefore, the color yellow is evil.

Get it?

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*sigh* This is why your thinking about music is so warped. You don't know what it is. You don't "get it."

Yellow exists in nature. God put yellow just about everywhere you look. He made bananas, peppers, bugs, flowers, and a whole host of things yellow.

Tell me, from which tree was it that you plucked Beethoven's 5th? Did you find it washed up on a shore somewhere?

Where in nature did someone find the London Derry Air?

You see, that's the fundamental difference between music and your color yellow. Music is an event, a premeditated, intelligent and deliberate act. It doesn't grow on trees and you won't find it under a rock.

This is why your yellow analogy is fundamentally flawed, and why the passages concerning meat aren't applicable.

As an act, it is eminently moral.

Music also exists in nature. The planets "hum" around the sun at certain frequency vibrations. (Could this be the Biblical reference to the "singing stars"?) A spider tests the strength of its web through the plucking of a web strand and listening to the consequent vibration.

While the "yellow" example is flawed (as nearly all human illustrations are), the point intended was the illustration of non-sequitors in regard to some people's musical beliefs. They say A is such and such, B is such and such, so C is the obvious conlusion...when in reality some of their A and B premises are faulty or unfounded. All I was seeking to do was to employ the Limbaugh strategy of using absurdity to illustrate the absurd.

The simplistic arguments about the morality of music get rather old after a while. There must be some humor occasionlly employed to break the monotony.

The music tones themselves are amoral. The intent of the heart of the musician it what conveys the goodness or "badness" of the music, not the music itself.