One Gospel?

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I don't know how you define a "credible teacher," but Chas Baker who is a grad of Dallas Seminary and who is pres emeritus of Grace Bible College and who wrote "A Dispensational Theology" says in that book in chap 42 that Paul preached a different Gospel than did Jesus and the other apostles. Therefore, IMO, while friend IT. is quite wrong, he is not quite unique!

[ August 01, 2005, 11:47 AM: Message edited by: UZThD ]

 

UZThD,

Thank you for your post, I knew when I put that statement out there that someone would find a person who teaches such things as more than one Gospel in the dispies camp. That does not make it so, nor does it make it the norm or what dispies believe. I am always concerned with this broad brush approach at the labeling that takes place of people of different theological stands, especially when it comes to these matters. There are so many shades of types in every theological group when it comes to peoples understanding of end times that generalizations may be unavoidable. But when someone states that dispensationalist believe in more than one Gospel, that is a specific charge that is not true and leads to major misunderstandings.

Bro Tony

 

You do know you are talking about Christ Jesus, don’t you? Who gave the dispensational gospel to Paul? I would rethink before making statements such as this in the future. Some may think you are unaware that Christ Jesus is presently seated beside His Father in heaven, and this dispensation is the dispensation that Paul speaks from. Christian faith, ituttut Galatians 1:11-12.

 

I think this may be catching. I have heard so many distortions of what dispensationalism teaches on this thread. What Ituttut teaches is not dispensationalism but his own view of things. I know of no credible teacher of dispensationalism who believes there is more than one Gospel.

Bro Tony </font>[/QUOTE]Hi Bro Tony. Please read the Epistles of Paul, who has the dispensational gospel for this dispensation. Paul says we are not to mix His gospel with that of the others. You will notice Peter says the Jew can now be saved as the Gentile just by believing on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. If Peter says it is Now possible for them, it must have not been possible before. Christian faith, ituttut.

 

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I don't know how you define a "credible teacher," but Chas Baker who is a grad of Dallas Seminary and who is pres emeritus of Grace Bible College and who wrote "A Dispensational Theology" says in that book in chap 42 that Paul preached a different Gospel than did Jesus and the other apostles. Therefore, IMO, while friend IT. is quite wrong, he is not quite unique! [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]Amen, fellow in Christ. I am certainly not endeavoring to bring anything New to the Table, nor is Brother Baker, Sadler, Stam, Darby, or any of the others that hold to the gospel of Paul. We only preach and teach the dispensational gospel of Paul rightly divided.

We all don't agree with each other, just as all Baptists don't agree on every little item. Paul was still growing, as was Peter and the rest when they were taken, and so shall we. I have grown since becoming a Baptist at the age of 9, and I am still a Baptist, and I continue to grow.

Christian faith, ituttut Galatians 1:11-12

 

IMO monogenes is there (in the KJV, in John's 5 applications of that adjective to Christ) ) mistranslated , and IMO no divine Person begets the other divine Persons as each Person has all of God's attributes one of which is aseity.

UZ

 

Please enlighten me and all others on this Forum! </font>[/QUOTE]Paul tells in the book of Romans, that it is His gospel that established the Christian church in Rome. Let’s start with Acts 18:2-4, ”And found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy, with his wife Priscilla; (because that Claudius had commanded all Jews to depart from Rome and came unto them. 3. And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers. 4. And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks”. Aquila and Priscilla became Christians, not in Rome, but after their encounter with Paul.

When Paul wrote Romans, many had been converted to the “grace commission”. No telling how many were going to other parts of the world with this message that Christ gave us from heaven. People traveled in those days also, it just took them a little longer. Christianity did not reach Rome until converts to the Gospel of Christ Jesus, as held in the gospel of Paul, returned to Rome, or made an initial visit. Paul staked claim to Rome for he said he would not build on another mans foundation, Romans 15:20. There were during the time of the Apostles two (2) foundation’s built on the foundation of Jesus Christ, one that Peter built, and one that Paul built.

Isn’t it true that Paul went West, and Peter to the East? We know where Paul went for we have a detailed account. But if we take your word, then we can know that Peter went East to India as you informed us of this fact when we were discussing the topic of “dispensationalism” a few weeks ago. Proof positive wouldn’t you say, and you agree for you know that Peter’s Pentecostal gospel could not have laid a foundation Rome. However you obviously doubt Paul’s gospel was the foundation of the church in Rome, for the Gentiles.

We see Phoebe in chapter 1:1 is entrusted with carrying the book of Romans, to Rome. To whom is Phoebe to deliver this new book of Romans? To “Priscilla and Aquila”, and the church in their home. So we know the Christian church was in Rome before Paul arrived, some 4 years after he wrote Romans from Corinth.

It would be some time before Paul got to Rome to establish the Gentile church/s, but by His preaching the foundation of Christ Jesus was already laid by the gospel of Paul. How do we know this? It is in the Word of God. ”And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. 24. And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not. 25. And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers, 26. Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: 27. For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 28. Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.”

What does Paul do after three days of his arriving in Rome. He goes to the Jew first, the “chiefs”, but things are going to change as we see above in verse 28. The people were interested in Paul’s gospel, some believing, and some not. The Christian church built upon the foundation of Jesus Christ was now in Rome for the Gentile, in the center of the Gentile world, just as it had been preached to those after Damascus Road.

So after all is said and done, the Christian gospel to the Gentile, and the Jew was carried out by Jews, and then the mantle was handed to the Gentiles to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ to this world, as God reconciles it unto Himself. And the only way this can be done is by the “dispensational” gospel that Christ from heaven gave to this Apostle “out of season”. We are still in that “season” that is “out of kilter” with what went before, and what will come after we are gone. Christian faith, ituttut.

 

Who told you I reject the Lord's Supper? I didn't reject "water baptism" either to join the Baptist church. That is the way we join the Baptist church, so you are wrong on both counts. Joining the Baptist church had not one scintilla to do with my salvation. Do you believe “water baptism” saved you? Then you are not a Baptist after all.

It is the "great commission" that I don't believe in that you believe in and most Baptists, but either they 1 - are ignorant of what is contained in the "great commission"; 2 - know what it contains, but listens to tradition of man without understanding, or 3 - believe exactly like the Catholic church that "water baptism" saves them. Which of these apply to you?

I believe you are like most all in the churches of main line protestants. They accept Matthew and Luke, thinking that youngster Mark doesn't know what he is talking about. Christian faith, ituttut Galatians 1:11-12

 

So you are stating that all those who were saved by the preaching of the remaining 11 Apostles were not Christians?

Wonder what God thinks about this? </font>[/QUOTE]But isn't it you saying they never understood Paul' gospel. But Peter won't let you get away with that, for Peter understood Paul's gospel as did the other Apostle's. It appears you don't believe Paul, and now you don't believe Peter. I wonder what Christ thinks about that?

Please read with understanding, Paul's letters and II Peter, 3:, ” And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16. As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.17. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. 18. But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.” christian faith, ituttut

 

To each his own, and I also believe the characteristic of God is self-derived. God has always existed, and does exist, but it happens to be the case that the Son of God exists. But if you take away the Body of God, does God not remain a Spirit, existing, but nothing happens? I believe a lot of these technical theological terms, are only for confusing the Word.

I can’t go along with any other translation for I believe Jesus Christ Bodily arose from the grave, and is now Bodily seated beside His Father in Heaven. We will see Christ Jesus, but will we see the Father? We are told every eye of those poor souls left in the tribulation will see Him, Christ Jesus, but no man has ever seen God; the only begotten Son in the bosom of the Father has declared him though.

If we don't believe in the Body of Christ, then can we believe in the Christian faith. There are a good number of people on this earth that don't believe in the resurrection, and a bodily resurrection, and this is an argument they use.

Translated “mono for only”, and genes for begotten” is good enough for me. Adam was created by God. Jesus Christ was Seed of God the Father, the Word becoming flesh, becoming the Son of God. Christian faith, ituttut